you can play in the NHL at 18 or 19, but not in the AHL?
I think that if any player decided to challenge that in court they would win that argument hands down.
It's not quite accurate that you have to be 20 to play in the AHL. There used to be an agreement (it expired last year; and I don't think it's been renewed) between the CHL and the NHL that prevented NHL teams from sending their CHL draft picks to the AHL before they were in their 20th year. As far as I know the agreement only applied to players drafted from the CHL, I don't think it applied to players who only came to the CHL after already being drafted (ie a lot of European players).
you can play in the NHL at 18 or 19, but not in the AHL?
I think that if any player decided to challenge that in court they would win that argument hands down.
Sorry but they likely wouldn't win. That's like the age old arguement, "you can vote and fight in a war at 18 but you can't drink"? It'd be a tough battle in the courts and by the time all options were exhausted, he'd be 20 years old anyway.
Maybe not, but the NHL can make life very hard for the AHL. Imagine how successful the AHL would be if the parent franchises decided to stop sending young talent down there to develop. WTF would the AHL do then? Not only that, but for a lot of the AHL franchises the NHL parent organization owns a controlling share of their AHL affiliate.
Bottom line: if the NHL doesn't want Crosby to play in the AHL without being drafted, it won't happen. Period.
What?????
where would they send the young talent then? The ECHL, because that is a superior league??????
Why would NHL owners shoot themselves in the foot twice, once sending players to sub par league, then send players to a league and teams they dont own.
aint gonna happen.
Bottomline, the AHL is still playing games right now and NHL isnt. Having Sid, who is ineligable to play in the AHL anyways and it has been posted numerous times that he will be returning to the Q if he is not drafted, why would you not him to play in the AHL if it can happen would be the NHL shooting itself in the foot again. Why wouldnt they want the best player to come along in a long time to be there?
He'll play for Manchester if the option ever becomes available based on the fact that he attends Kings Rookie Development Camps and likes our people. Add in the fact he can probably play with Eric Neilson (current teammate and protector) and its a slam dunk.
He'll play for Manchester if the option ever becomes available based on the fact that he attends Kings Rookie Development Camps and likes our people. Add in the fact he can probably play with Eric Neilson (current teammate and protector) and its a slam dunk.
And add in the fact he said about 3 times that the Habs organization have been his dream since a young age and it's not working anymore.
Fact is, we dont know at all where he would wanna go...
That is correct, it applied only to "domestic" CHL players.
Hence how Konstantin Zakarov was able to play in the AHL this season.
Crosby is too young to play in the AHL based on the existing framework.
Is that why Patrice Bergeron, Nathan Horton, and Jason Spezza played in the AHL at 19?
I'm thinking if the QMJHL team allows him to move on to a better league, relieving him of his contractual duties with Rimouski, he is eligible to play for any AHL club.
Is that why Patrice Bergeron, Nathan Horton, and Jason Spezza played in the AHL at 19?
I'm thinking if the QMJHL team allows him to move on to a better league, relieving him of his contractual duties with Rimouski, he is eligible to play for any AHL club.
All of those guys have played more than 10 NHL games so they can't return to the CHL
All of those guys have played more than 10 NHL games so they can't return to the CHL
Is that a CHL rule? I've never heard of it before. Fleury certainly played more than 10 games for the Penguins before being returned to Cape Breton. And Fritsche played more than 10 NHL games before going back to the OHL this year.
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Originally Posted by Carl O'Steen
Is that why Patrice Bergeron, Nathan Horton, and Jason Spezza played in the AHL at 19?
I'm thinking if the QMJHL team allows him to move on to a better league, relieving him of his contractual duties with Rimouski, he is eligible to play for any AHL club.
Bergeron and Horton both played in the AHL after the agreement between the CHL and NHL expired. The CHL issued a statement about it: http://www.chl.ca/CHLNews0405/1001.html
Is that a CHL rule? I've never heard of it before. Fleury certainly played more than 10 games for the Penguins before being returned to Cape Breton. And Fritsche played more than 10 NHL games before going back to the OHL this year.
Bergeron and Horton both played in the AHL after the agreement between the CHL and NHL expired. The CHL issued a statement about it: http://www.chl.ca/CHLNews0405/1001.html
Not sure about Spezza, though.
My point was that if the CHL teams relieve the players of their CHL contracts, they can play in the AHL despite not being 20 years old.
It's up to Rimouski as to whether or not Sidney will play in the AHL, not the NHL.
because fritsche went back at the beginning of the next year no? if you have a junior player, and keep him past the deadline of somewhere in november, you cannot return him to juniors, you must wait and send him to juniors the next season if he's still eligible..
i can't remember what that deadline is, i believe it's either 13 games or a specific date in november
because fritsche went back at the beginning of the next year no? if you have a junior player, and keep him past the deadline of somewhere in november, you cannot return him to juniors, you must wait and send him to juniors the next season if he's still eligible..
i can't remember what that deadline is, i believe it's either 13 games or a specific date in november
That doesn't explain why Bergeron and Horton aren't in the CHL this season.
They were both eligible to come back to the CHL, there's no 10 game rule.
i don't know the full agreement, but just from what i remember
- 4 full seasons of juniors can allow you to play in the chl
- if you keep a prospect past a certain amount of games / date you must keep him on the roster until the season is over
- players coming over from europe can play in the ahl as a teenager
Spezza was eligible for the AHL at 19 because he had already completed 4 full CHL season.
Yup, the rule is that for a CHL player to move on to the AHL, he must have either
A) Turned 20 years old
B) Played 4 seasons in the CHL (being guys like Spezza who started their junior careers very early).
But as far as I can see, this deal can no longer be in place, since all agreements are up and nothing new has been signed. So wouldnt that put everything at square one and free game?
also, if bergeron were to go back to juniors, and the nhl starts up, the bruins cannot recall him from juniors b/c he would have to be formally sent back to juniors in the first place by boston...
i don't know the full agreement, but just from what i remember
- 4 full seasons of juniors can allow you to play in the chl
- if you keep a prospect past a certain amount of games / date you must keep him on the roster until the season is over
- players coming over from europe can play in the ahl as a teenager
None of those explain why Fritsche is in the CHL this season after playing 19 NHL games last season.
And why he played those 19 games prior to his return to the CHL.
but he played those 19 games in the nhl LAST season right? then came back to junior at the start of this season?
i think that limit is just for said season.. in october/november player A plays 20 games, he must stay with that nhl team for the rest of that season, but after that season can be sent to juniors again if he's still eligible to play...
remember, i'm not stating these as facts, because i'm still not 100% sure, i'm just going on what i remember from an article i read long ago, as well as EHM
Regardless, none of this matters because there is no CBA. Also, Sidney Crosby is not the property of any NHL and at this point he doesn't have to care about any transfer deals the NHL has made.
i herd the amerks are going to try and develop him slowly. The ahl is a big step up and he might have some tuff times ahead.
Are you talking about Sidney Crosby? Crosby dominates, simple as that. He'll dominate if he did play in the AHL, but in my mind he'll never play in the AHL; Europe, QMJHL or the NHL are the only leagues he'll consider in my mind.
