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02-22-2013, 12:47 AM
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this team is a real son of a ***** sometimes

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02-22-2013, 12:48 AM
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Sometimes? Try all the time for seven ****ing years running.

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100% agree.

SHoulda traded away the 1st rounder last year and Hopefully this year one of the kids and this years 1st are gone.
Of our 3 first-rounders, I think Yakupov has the most potential as an all-around team player.

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Look we can blame the kids all we want but if we continually trot out kids in positions they can't handle, then we will lose.

Not surrounding these guys with quality vets was a big mistake. A huge mistake.

Imbalance is the term I'd use to describe this team. Imbalance in the amount of quality vets on the team. Imbalance in the type of player we have in the top-6. Imbalance in the type of D-man we have in the backend.

The one thing that has been apparently solved is goaltending this season, but apart from that, we're plagued with the same ****ing issues over and over again. At some point we will need to solve those issues in a non-drafting-1st-overall manner.

There is a reason Chicago went hard after Campbell and Hossa. Quality veterans.

We're tumbling down the standings. We're the only team in the league with less than 20 ES GF. And by the next game, we could be 2nd last in total goals scored.

After 3 years of getting the top young talent overall, this shouldn't be the case.
We went after Hossa. He didn't want to come here. We went after Jagr, he didn't want to come here either!

Nobody wants to come here, regardless of the situation! People sign in Calgary, so I guess they're doing something we're not. What is it?

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this team is a real son of a ***** sometimes
Yup.

I'm so sick of losing man. So sick of it. I was on board with the rebuild, but I figured after three years we would be making strides. Do we have to wait another two years to see a playoff push?

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... What is it?
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Kevin Lowe
Great. Send him to Calgary.

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02-22-2013, 12:50 AM
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They can definitely sting (I've gotten one that left a huge bruise on my thigh) but I didn't act like I got shot in the leg lol

I have a high pain threshold though so I guess it depends on the person
You think you have a higher pain threshold then someone who lays out 2-300 hits/year in pro hockey? Get real.

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02-22-2013, 12:51 AM
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Yup.

I'm so sick of losing man. So sick of it. I was on board with the rebuild, but I figured after three years we would be making strides. Do we have to wait another two years to see a playoff push?
Give it time man and heed Coach K's wisdom. "We're still learning how to win."

Yes, he actually said that tonight.

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Of our 3 first-rounders, I think Yakupov has the most potential as an all-around team player.
Well thats good. Cause I don't want potential. Hall RNH Ebs have tons of it and have shown it in the bigs.

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Well thats good. Cause I don't want potential. Hall RNH Ebs have tons of it and have shown it in the bigs.
One of the reasons we're not doing well is that those three are not playing a team game. Watch our patented one-man attack.

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We went after Hossa. He didn't want to come here. We went after Jagr, he didn't want to come here either!
When did we go after them?

For the past 3 off seasons we haven't targeted a single quality veteran. Not one. We haven't gone after a single top-6 forward or a top-4 D-man to surround our young team. Not. One.

When we tried for Hossa and Jagr, there was a reason they wouldn't come here. We had no direction. Lowe was trying to recreate the magic of the 06 cup run. To draw the same conclusion to a different situation is a reach at best.

We have some actual direction. Yet we chose to do nothing to improve the 29th worst team in the league. Justin Schultz is a blue chip prospect and probable top-pairing guy in the future. But having him come in and win a top-4 spot without much competition shouldn't happen. He should be playing a bottom pairing role with butter soft PP time this season. So he can develop. He shouldn't have to carry this team 8 games into the season. He shouldn't have to carry offense from the backend 2 games into the season.

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"We're still learning how to win"


George Burnett last lockout shortened season, or Kreuger this one.


Um, guess what? Running out of time.


This team isn't learning jack****. 2nd time this season the topline has to be saved from themselves as they stubbornly refuse to make adjustments.

Oh well, keep watching your hilite reels from last year and pretend you're helping this club in anyway.

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02-22-2013, 12:56 AM
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Jason Strudwick is a breath of fresh air in sports radio. He sounds incredibly frustrated with management tonight.

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02-22-2013, 12:56 AM
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The Oilers need a new system immediatly, they need the NHS.

Ralph you are trying to take the core values of the NewAge Hockey System and incorporate them into your adjusted hybrid but you dont understand the system enough to realise you cannot add these core value components without changing over to the full NHS.

If you use the NHS you eliminate the fastbreak and transitional complications and allow yourself to dominate puck possesion for 60 mins in both zones and initiate offense for the full 60 mins, you already have a roster of skilled natural cyclers, so use the NHS and its half-rink and full-rink cycle tactics, that combined with properly executed Gapping creates momentum control and a possesion/transition momentum controlling game that is unbeatable. The NHS will be effective immediatly and allow the Oilers to unleash 56 shots again and do it from the first minute forward till the last minute with an airtight defense.

Ralph I understand what you are trying to do here your intentions are similar to how the NHS functions but you do not grasp the cycling aspects the adjusted-hybrid is missing and how critical they are to maintaining consistant and dominant offense with natural airtight defense, all you have to do is reach out and I will give you the NHS in its totality, what do you have to lose? Your professional grace? Losing games wipes that away on its own. Stop saying stuff like pre-gapping, i will show you what Gapping is intended to accomplish. Pre-gapping is an oxymoron.

This team is an afternoon away from making a monumental step in its evolution, one hour with you and your coaches alone and one practice Ralph. I can show you how to add a few small core value changes that will give you 40+ shots per game with 4+ goals per game and initiated from the first minute on irregardless of opponent system tactics, nothing out there can touch the NHS. We can begin to exert terminal pressure and dominance immediatly to take the early leads and build on that momentum immediatly. And we will cut down on faceoffs luckily since we are weak there. We will generate our shots out of the two stage cycle and our offense will develop from everywhere as the systems dynamic action dictates not as our coaches or players dictate. Twenty minutes and a sketch pad should do it its not that complicated. You arent going to beat the forchecking teams will use to disrupt the adjusted-hybrids fastbreak d-zone exit,or the neutral zone elimination of the upspeed support man and transitional tactics, teams know the fatal flaws now and are exploiting them.

Ralph please consider the NewAge Hockey Systems Flagship principal of "mobilis in mobili" for a few minutes and try to visualise how it frames the system you are trying to execute and then consider the two-stage cycle tactic of the NHS. You may find it answers all of your questions at once and explains how you create and catalyse effective consistant offense from outside of a tightly executed system and maintain airtight defense.

I created the NHS and am tossing down the gauntlet, how many others have done this? None. I say i can hammer Ralphs best adjusted hybrid efforts in a scrimmage and he can take his top line and give me whoever he wants, it will be a massacre, the NHS and its puck absorbing cycling tactics will smother momentum and support the Tactical Shooting Program which will literally rip Dubby and or Khabby to pieces and within 5 to ten minutes. You see the NHS evolved from the adjusted-hybrid we are using so the players I need to teach already know 75% of the NHS inside out, I only add a few things to what they are doing now, I ask them to delete more responsibility and return it to the system than I allocate to them via new adjustments. Give me a coach or mac-T though to even the playing field and act as a technical interpreter, I have no clue how to run a hockey line just a hockey coaches perspective. Make it an Episode of Oilchange if you need to, whatever it takes to get this done. I doubt they would want to expose the NHS that completely though once they grasp its potential

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You think you have a higher pain threshold then someone who lays out 2-300 hits/year in pro hockey? Get real.
Some people just have higher pain thresholds. Doesn't matter if you play hockey or not.

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When did we go after them?

For the past 3 off seasons we haven't targeted a single quality veteran. Not one. We haven't gone after a single top-6 forward or a top-4 D-man to surround our young team. Not. One.

When we tried for Hossa and Jagr, there was a reason they wouldn't come here. We had no direction. Lowe was trying to recreate the magic of the 06 cup run. To draw the same conclusion to a different situation is a reach at best.

We have some actual direction. Yet we chose to do nothing to improve the 29th worst team in the league. Justin Schultz is a blue chip prospect and probable top-pairing guy in the future. But having him come in and win a top-4 spot without much competition shouldn't happen. He should be playing a bottom pairing role with butter soft PP time this season. So he can develop. He shouldn't have to carry this team 8 games into the season. He shouldn't have to carry offense from the backend 2 games into the season.
We don't have direction. This implies management. What we have is some impetus created only by a socialistic draft system that rewards failure.

Oh and J Schultz wanting to be here. How long is he signed?

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02-22-2013, 12:59 AM
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Jason Strudwick is a breath of fresh air in sports radio. He sounds incredibly frustrated with management tonight.
What did he say?

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This team is frustrating. I've always played the patience card, but it's an aggravating type of game the oilers play. I still believe they'll eventually start converting their chances though...I still see a top line that creates a scoring chance nearly every shift....which is ridiculous. they just need to start putting them in the net. Tough loss.

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When did we go after them?

For the past 3 off seasons we haven't targeted a single quality veteran. Not one. We haven't gone after a single top-6 forward or a top-4 D-man to surround our young team. Not. One.

When we tried for Hossa and Jagr, there was a reason they wouldn't come here. We had no direction. Lowe was trying to recreate the magic of the 06 cup run. To draw the same conclusion to a different situation is a reach at best.

We have some actual direction. Yet we chose to do nothing to improve the 29th worst team in the league. Justin Schultz is a blue chip prospect and probable top-pairing guy in the future. But having him come in and win a top-4 spot without much competition shouldn't happen. He should be playing a bottom pairing role with butter soft PP time this season. So he can develop. He shouldn't have to carry this team 8 games into the season. He shouldn't have to carry offense from the backend 2 games into the season.
We went after them before the rebuild. If they didn't want to come here then why the hell would they want to come when we're even worse? Plus I'm pretty sure Hossa signed the year we tanked for Hall anyway.

There's 29 other teams out there who need help. Should we have pitched a stupid contract to Wideman like the Flames did? Or Leino like the Sabres did?

The fact of the matter is that until we improve players aren't going to sign here no matter how much dough we pay. It sucks but that's just how it is. Imagine when Perry, Getzlaf, and Iginla all hit UFA status? Not a single one of them will consider Edmonton for even a second.

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Some people just have higher pain thresholds. Doesn't matter if you play hockey or not.
Nobody that throws the most hits, and most open ice hits in NHL hockey has any problem with their pain threshold.

If Clutterbuck was an Oiler we'd all love him and be talking about a silly play by Hall. Not about somebody seriously hurt on the ice.

Say what you want about Clutterbuck, we'd all want some of this player.

Kudos to few fans in the crowd that bothered to cheer when he got up. Guys a warrior game in and game out and deserves some respect.

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What did he say?
Basically he referred to tonight's show being "Groundhog Day" IE discussing the same glaring issues over and over and over again and called for a shake-up. He's not going to flat-out call for Steve Tambellini's dismissal but he really sounds like he wants to.

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Nobody that throws the most hits, and most open ice hits in NHL hockey has any problem with their pain threshold.

If Clutterbuck was an Oiler we'd all love him and be talking about a silly play by Hall. Not about somebody seriously hurt on the ice.

Say what you want about Clutterbuck, we'd all want some of this player.

Kudos to few fans in the crowd that bothered to cheer when he got up. Guys a warrior game in and game out and deserves some respect.
...But he wasn't seriously hurt.

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This team is just infected with loser. No matter who walks through the door within a few days they completely lose the ability to play with confidence on a consistent basis. Every single game there are different heroes and goats. No one consistently plays well. Guys probably go to bed praying theyll be traded somewhere else.

Is it tambo? Is it Lowe? No matter the coach, no matter the players, no matter the goalie, we start hot and then go in the crapper every single year. Does the dressing room need to be completely repainted or blown up? Is the organization too nice to its players? Too crappy to them? Is Katz being a complete jerk giving the Oilers bad karma?

This year its interesting to note how the team completely went into the tank as soon as Horcoff got injured. Maybe hes a good captain after all and the team just sucks even worse when hes out.

I think for sure you trade whitney for whatever you can at the deadline and then the gm, coach, scouts etc are completely cleaned out at the end if the season.

Look at the habs. They saw a sinking ship and completely cleaned house and changed the culture of the team. I cant blame the players. Theyd be better elsewhere and any time we trade guys we always seem to trade the wrong guys.

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Jason Strudwick is a breath of fresh air in sports radio. He sounds incredibly frustrated with management tonight.
Kind of irony considering he was one of the horrendous additions that this club brought in as *hired help*.

Maybe he should just shut up and realize he wouldn't be here period without such incompetence.

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