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02-21-2013, 03:36 PM
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Elliott vs Barrie

Anyone else watching Elliott since his recall. Really impressed me vs Blues
with his overall game.

I know Barrie has been solid too.

Your thoughts about the two of them and their future.

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02-21-2013, 03:44 PM
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Elliott's not been that good but that's okay. He's still not any worst than ROB/SOB/Zanon (Zanon was good last night). He gets beat defensively and like the rest of the team, he's weak on the boards.

Barrie's been better and has better adjusted to the pro level. Both should become top 4 dmen at some point. I dunno if Elliott will put up 50 pts like some had predicted but he's shown flashes of offense. Barrie's our 2nd best dman right now with Erik Johnson injured (Matt Hunwick being the best).

I'm not too worried about either kid though a better coach than Sacco would do more for their development.

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Elliott's not been that good but that's okay. He's still not any worst than ROB/SOB/Zanon (Zanon was good last night). He gets beat defensively and like the rest of the team, he's weak on the boards.

Barrie's been better and has better adjusted to the pro level. Both should become top 4 dmen at some point. I dunno if Elliott will put up 50 pts like some had predicted but he's shown flashes of offense. Barrie's our 2nd best dman right now with Erik Johnson injured (Matt Hunwick being the best).

I'm not too worried about either kid though a better coach than Sacco would do more for their development.
Not sure if serious. Hunwick aside. Barrie right now has a better overall game than Elliot. Elliot has a better release and shot though. I imagine down the line Elliot will be a bigger threat to score on the powerplay, but Barrie will be the better player.

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Not sure if serious. Hunwick aside. Barrie right now has a better overall game than Elliot. Elliot has a better release and shot though. I imagine down the line Elliot will be a bigger threat to score on the powerplay, but Barrie will be the better player.
I'd agree with Hunwick being our best defenseman right now. He's been pretty damn good lately. The only other argument you could make right now is Hejda.

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Not sure if serious. Hunwick aside. Barrie right now has a better overall game than Elliot. Elliot has a better release and shot though. I imagine down the line Elliot will be a bigger threat to score on the powerplay, but Barrie will be the better player.


Hunwick's worth a 2nd pick at least now, possibly a first if he keeps it up. To anyone who doesn't watch Colorado games, don't start, just take my word for it, he's excellent.

Anyways the problem with Elliott/Barrie is that they get put in situations where they shouldn't aka they aren't protected due to lack of depth/injuries/bad coaching so they get exposed more than a lot of other young dmen do. Seeing the development of prospect dmen is fascinating and these two though they've made their share of mistakes especially Elliott, have shown signs of improvement and aren't much worst in one regard and already quite mobile offensively. Also nice to see Elliott be able to get shots through, that's something EJ struggles with. The biggest + about having them up though is that it means that Duchene doesn't have to be wasted on the point during the PP.

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Barrie will be better earlier (and possibly throughout their careers). He is a better overall player, and despite being smaller in stature is actually more steady than Elliott and much more willing to engage physically. Elliott however has absolutely elite offensive potential, the problem will be if he can manage to translate those skills into actual production at the NHL level.

Barrie plays the safer game, and he is contributing all over the ice for the Avalanche right now, he has really take the reigns since EJ went down and is definitely making the most of this opportunity.

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From what I've seen, Barrie is better. He had a great end-to-end type deal to set up Bryan Lerg for a game-tying goal this year.

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Hejda has been far and away better than Hunwick, but thats not what this thread is about.

Barrie has been a revelation for our pylon D since EJ went down. I like the paring of Him and Hedja.

Like others have said Elliot's offensive upside is tantalizing, he really needs to strengthen up however.

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Barrie will be better earlier (and possibly throughout their careers). He is a better overall player, and despite being smaller in stature is actually more steady than Elliott and much more willing to engage physically. Elliott however has absolutely elite offensive potential, the problem will be if he can manage to translate those skills into actual production at the NHL level.

Barrie plays the safer game, and he is contributing all over the ice for the Avalanche right now, he has really take the reigns since EJ went down and is definitely making the most of this opportunity.
This exactly. Barrie should be a very solid middle pairing PMD (that can more than hold his own defensively) for many years in this league. Sadly, I don't ever see him being a top pairing defensemen. His ceiling isn't all that far from what he is now. Which isn't a terrible thing, he has be great the last 4-5 games.

Elliott on the other hand has 50-55 point top pairing PMD potential. I highly, highly doubt that he lives up to it though. He will probably max out as a 35-45 pt middle pairing defender that is a liability at times in the defensive zone (especially against a strong forchecking team).

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Barrie will be better earlier (and possibly throughout their careers). He is a better overall player, and despite being smaller in stature is actually more steady than Elliott and much more willing to engage physically. Elliott however has absolutely elite offensive potential, the problem will be if he can manage to translate those skills into actual production at the NHL level.

Barrie plays the safer game, and he is contributing all over the ice for the Avalanche right now, he has really take the reigns since EJ went down and is definitely making the most of this opportunity.
All of this.

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Barrie will be better earlier (and possibly throughout their careers). He is a better overall player, and despite being smaller in stature is actually more steady than Elliott and much more willing to engage physically. Elliott however has absolutely elite offensive potential, the problem will be if he can manage to translate those skills into actual production at the NHL level.

Barrie plays the safer game, and he is contributing all over the ice for the Avalanche right now, he has really take the reigns since EJ went down and is definitely making the most of this opportunity.
What separates Barrie and Elliott now, is Barrie is just a way smarter player with the puck. Especially defensively where Elliott just throws it up the boards.

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Right now I would say the biggest thing is confidence. Barrie seems certain to be able to play and play well at the NHL level and Elliott seems a little tentative.

I also think that Elliott has gotten stronger since his stint with the Avs last season, he still has a ways to go and needs to get a little stronger still, in my opinion.

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As others have said, Elliott is lacking confidence right now. Barrie has played extremely well since coming back from a scratch, almost a borderline #1 Dman. He and Hejda have formed a very good pairing for us.

Both should be solid Top 4 guys for us or some team down the road. Elliott will be much more offensive, while Barrie will have the better overall game.

Couple of comparable NHL guys IMO would be Boyle(Barrie) and a shooting prime Kaberle(Elliott).

Elliott needs to gain his confidence back so he can start doing this again:


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As others have said, Elliott is lacking confidence right now. Barrie has played extremely well since coming back from a scratch, almost a borderline #1 Dman. He and Hejda have formed a very good pairing for us.

Both should be solid Top 4 guys for us or some team down the road. Elliott will be much more offensive, while Barrie will have the better overall game.

Couple of comparable NHL guys IMO would be Boyle(Barrie) and a shooting prime Kaberle(Elliott).

Elliott needs to gain his confidence back so he can start doing this again:
I'm pretty sure Kaberle is famous for being a playmaking D. Elliott is a guy who roams and has an elite wrist shot.

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How did they play today?

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How did they play today?
The whole team looked like a bunch of sucks.

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Elliott's not been that good but that's okay. He's still not any worst than ROB/SOB/Zanon (Zanon was good last night). He gets beat defensively and like the rest of the team, he's weak on the boards.

Barrie's been better and has better adjusted to the pro level. Both should become top 4 dmen at some point. I dunno if Elliott will put up 50 pts like some had predicted but he's shown flashes of offense. Barrie's our 2nd best dman right now with Erik Johnson injured (Matt Hunwick being the best).

I'm not too worried about either kid though a better coach than Sacco would do more for their development.
Good thing it's a great draft year, a guy like Seth Jones could do wonders for this young team.

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I base this on nothing but gut instincts, but I think Elliott will be a significantly better player than Barrie over their careers. He doesn't look confident right now, but just the things he tries out there make me think he's exceptionally bright.

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Barrie is head and shoulders better than Elliot right now, and imo will be in the future as well. I personally don't see Elliot being anything more than a bottom pairing offensive specialist.

Hopefully i'll have to eat a crow in a few years.

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