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04-26-2013, 12:46 PM
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Brodin

Is hands down the best rookie in performing his role and doing it good....dat 29min icetime the other night...

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04-26-2013, 01:32 PM
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There are so many rookies that are in the Calder conversation this season that it's really pretty cool. Not one of them has clearly distanced himself from the field. Homers making cases for their homeboys all over this thread.

As a Hawks fan, I'm elated the Hawks have a rookie in consideration and I look forward to Saad playing in the Indianhead for years to come regardless if he wins the Calder.

I've seen all the top rookies play at lease a couple times and in many cases quite a bit. Brodin in a fine player and certainly worthy of consideration, but if I were going to pick a d-man, I might prefer Ottawa's Wiercioch or LA's Muzzin over Brodin.

But I think the player I have seen that is the most dynamic and contributes more to the success of his team than any other rookie - is Gallagher.

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04-26-2013, 01:36 PM
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Brodins stats when it comes to goals/assists aren't impressive, but his impact defensively has been pretty big which can be seen in some other stats.

Goals against while on the ice per 60 minutes: 1.68
Goals against while off the ice per 60 minutes: 2.75

No other regularly playing defenseman on his team comes close to those numbers even though Brodin is the defender who faces the highest quality of competition on the Wild.

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04-26-2013, 01:46 PM
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As a Hawks fan, I'm elated the Hawks have a rookie in consideration and I look forward to Saad playing in the Indianhead for years to come regardless if he wins the Calder.
Agreed. I don't care so much about Saad winning the Calder, but just the simple fact that he has Toews and Hossa mentoring him raises his ceiling considerably in comparison to what it could've been. Getting his feet wet on the first line and building his confidence playing with those two is going to take him a lot further in this league than some of the more talented rookies on bottom feeder teams who are expected to carry those teams on their backs right off the bat.

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04-26-2013, 01:52 PM
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It is gonna be a tough choice for sure as they all have strong points/weak points. I get the Gallagher/Galchenyuk love as they are very impressive rookies. Same with Huberdeau, Saad, Conacher.

The people who vote may be looking big picture to guys like Brodin and Zibanejad. More all around players who are noticeable on the ice. Impact-wise Brodin and Zibanejad will get consideration and points-wsie could be the MTL players and Huberdeau.

If I had to pick the three finalists I think it will be:

Gallagher, Huberdeau, Brodin.

If I were picking it would be:

Gallagher, Zibanejad,Brodin

Winner: Gallagher
Great post. It does depend on how they vote, but i think Gallagher will take it.

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04-26-2013, 02:02 PM
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Brodins stats when it comes to goals/assists aren't impressive, but his impact defensively has been pretty big which can be seen in some other stats.

Goals against while on the ice per 60 minutes: 1.68
Goals against while off the ice per 60 minutes: 2.75

No other regularly playing defenseman on his team comes close to those numbers even though Brodin is the defender who faces the highest quality of competition on the Wild.
It is impressive but
It does help when you play with Suter.
What is his stats when he's not paired with Suter?

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04-26-2013, 02:07 PM
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I would pick Brendan Gallagher for the Calder, even though I don't follow the Habs that much it seems Gallagher plays with a chip on his shoulder and isn't afraid of going to the net or going into the dirty areas which is something I like out of a player and especially someone of his size. In my opinion he is very deserving of the Calder.

I would also have Huberdeau and Saad as finalists for the Calder as well.

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04-26-2013, 02:08 PM
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It is impressive but
It does help when you play with Suter.
What is his stats when he's not paired with Suter?
I don't know how to look that up but Suters 5on5 GA on the ice/60 is 2.05 compared to 1.68 for Brodin.

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04-26-2013, 02:15 PM
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http://wild.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=667486

Realistically don't think he will win though. Maybe a nominee?
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Brodin case for Calder in infographic form!



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It is impressive but
It does help when you play with Suter.
What is his stats when he's not paired with Suter?
I don't have stats - but for what it's worth, Suter looked lost until he was paired with Brodin. The kid has absolutely earned his spot on the top-pairing. Every away-feed I've listened to has announcers from around the league raving about his one-on-one play.

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04-26-2013, 02:49 PM
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If Saad won't win it because he plays with Toews and Hossa, Brodin shouldn't win it too...


and I really like Brodin, but he does not have the Stats to win the Calder.

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04-26-2013, 03:25 PM
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So please explain to me how Jonathan Huberdeau would get so many more points on the Blackhawks. Huberdeau and Kopecky have basically the same exact stats...Kopecky was already on the Hawks and never reached those kinds of numbers. But now that he is on a bad team, he should get less points than he did while playing with Hossa and Sharp...right?

So why is he getting more points on a bad team, with worse linemates? Is if possible that even the mighty Huberdeau benefits statistically from playing on a bad team? I'd say it is a possibility considering the two players on the team with the same or better stats as Huberdeau are Tomas Kopecky and Tomas Fleischmann, who are producing now more than ever before.

Or maybe it is just coincidence those two are having their best offensive numbers while Huberdeau is being held back by all the PP time and ability to focus his energy on only offense. Clearly he would produce better in any other situation because he is so great and different from every other player. We all know that players production can be easily extrapolated based on how good each team is along with their linemates.

According to my math, Huberdeau and Kopecky would get 1.5 times the points if with the Hawks.

Jonathan Huberdeau
Fake Stats: 47 games, 14 goals, 14 assists, 28 points, -16
With Hawks(82 games): 37 goals, 37 assists, 74 points, +34

Tomas Kopecky
Fake Stats: 46 games, 15 goals, 12 assists, 27 points, -8
With Hawks(82 games): 40 goals, 32 assists, 72 points, +47

Tomas Fleischmann
Fake Stats: 47 games, 10 goals, 23 assists, 33 points, -11
With Hawks(82 games): 26 goals, 60 assists, 86 points, +42

Holy crap!! Hawks should do whatever they can to acquire the underrated forces of Tomas Kopecky and Tomas Fleischmann. They can form Team Tomas and become the best duo the Western Conference has ever been privileged enough to see.
If you put more time analyzing hockey players rather then just creating stats that nobody cares about, I bet your opinion wouldn't look as bad.

Comparing Tomas Kopecky with Joe Huberdeau... You can't be serious. That's like comparing Mark Recchi with Steven Stamkos in his rookie season. What's wrong? They both had 45-46 points, it makes sense with your logic.

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04-26-2013, 03:47 PM
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It is impressive but
It does help when you play with Suter.
What is his stats when he's not paired with Suter?
With Suter (671 min)

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GF/20 GA/20 GF%
0.655 0.506 56.4%
Without (118 min)

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GF/20 GA/20 GF%
0.676 0.676 50.0

Corsi is much better without Suter though, but so have been opponents.

But here is Suter, without Brodin (224 mins)

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GF/20 GA/20 GF%
0.802 1.159 40.9
But to be fair for Suter, he was still adjusting at that time (start of the season).

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04-26-2013, 05:05 PM
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Huberdeau 28pts -16
Conacher 28pts +1
Gallagher 26pts +7
Yakupov 26pts -9
Galchenyuk 26pts +12
Saad 26pts +16

Any of these guy can win it. I have a feeling it will a Habs.

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04-26-2013, 05:10 PM
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Of course I want Huberdeau to win it, but I won't be upset if Gally 1/Gally 2 or Saad wins.

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04-26-2013, 05:46 PM
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I see the finalists being Huberdeau, Gallagher, and Brodin. Absolute crapshoot on who wins though.

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04-26-2013, 06:39 PM
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I just don't get how you can compare a guy that's Tyler Arnason-ing up the scoresheet on a bottom feeder with a key contributor (in all situations) on the best team in the league. Looking at the stats, Saad will probably end up ahead in scoring by the end of the year, anyways. Also, Saad is apparently better at faceoffs.

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04-26-2013, 06:43 PM
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Gallagher, it rhymes with Calder.

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04-26-2013, 07:48 PM
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Kind of meh year as far as rookies go. Not saying none of them won't go on to have great careers, just really nothing that stands out this year. Things appear especially underwhelming when compared to some of the rookies seasons we saw between the lockouts.

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04-26-2013, 07:50 PM
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Kind of meh year as far as rookies go. Not saying none of them won't go on to have great careers, just really nothing that stands out this year. Things appear especially underwhelming when compared to some of the rookies seasons we saw between the lockouts.
How was the rookie class in the last short season??

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How was the rookie class in the last short season??
Peter Forseberg was really good. The other two Calder finalist, Kariya and Carrey, had pretty decent season's as well. After that no idea.

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04-26-2013, 08:31 PM
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Yakupov might win it with his 2 goals tonight.

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04-26-2013, 08:33 PM
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Yakupov might win it with his 2 goals tonight.
It's unfortunate that it took a few injuries to get him the minutes he deserved, both at even strength and on the power play. Hopefully Krueger realizes what he's got for next season.

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04-26-2013, 08:34 PM
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Yak????

More like:

Huberdeau/Gallagher
Brodin
Saad/Conacher

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Forsberg was also almost 22 and coming off being the best hockey player outside the NHL and the MVP at the Olympics the year before.

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