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03-07-2013, 10:34 AM
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Question about Bordeleau

Hi guys,

Habs' fan here.

I just want to know: How is Bordeleau's play? I'm not talking about his fighting skills. Is he really good enough to be a regular 4th liner in the NHL? Can he play regularily around 8-10 minutes a game without putting the team into troube? Is he fast enough to hit the opposing team's best players/defensemen?

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Hi guys,

Habs' fan here.

I just want to know: How is Bordeleau's play? I'm not talking about his fighting skills. Is he really good enough to be a regular 4th liner in the NHL? Can he play regularily around 8-10 minutes a game without putting the team into troube? Is he fast enough to hit the opposing team's best players/defensemen?

Thanks in advance.
8-10 minutes might be a stretch.

He can hold his 5 minutes.

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His speed and puck handling abilities have really surprised me, at his size it's quite a gift.

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Hi guys,

Habs' fan here.

I just want to know: How is Bordeleau's play? I'm not talking about his fighting skills. Is he really good enough to be a regular 4th liner in the NHL? Can he play regularily around 8-10 minutes a game without putting the team into troube? Is he fast enough to hit the opposing team's best players/defensemen?

Thanks in advance.
Plain and simple answer is no. I like having him on the team, but I wouldn't classify his as anything but a max 5-7 minutes a game guy who is out there to police situations and as a physical threat ie: you take a run at one of our stars and you better be prepared to get pummeled by him. He is a scary dude. I have noticed that the amount of dirty looking plays directed towards Avs players has decreased since we put him in the lineup. Players don't want to have to answer to him.

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I wouldn't want him out there more than 7-8 minutes a night, and that would be the very maximum. He handles his five minutes well. His skating is awkward, but he is as big as a tree though. If he scores a goal I'll be surprised, and happy.

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Plain and simple answer is no. I like having him on the team, but I wouldn't classify his as anything but a max 5-7 minutes a game guy who is out there to police situations and as a physical threat ie: you take a run at one of our stars and you better be prepared to get pummeled by him. He is a scary dude. I have noticed that the amount of dirty looking plays directed towards Avs players has decreased since we put him in the lineup. Players don't want to have to answer to him.
Why is the answer no?

For an enforcer, he's probably one of the better actual NHL players out of the bunch I've watched in the past few years. He's not going to score more than a few goals in a career year, but he's not a big liability out on the ice and he does his job well. He goes into the corners and lays people out, wins a few puck battles and creates a scoring opportunity a game.

He's probably even on penalties drawn/taken which is about as much as you can ask for from him.

He's also a good skater and handles himself well.

I'd absolutely be fine with the Avs keeping him for another year or two and seeing how he does as our full time enforcer and letting Cody continue to showcase himself as a guy with a little more upside than 4th line fighter (did admirably as a 3rd string PKer for us and he's had some scoring chances).

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Why is the answer no?

For an enforcer, he's probably one of the better actual NHL players out of the bunch I've watched in the past few years. He's not going to score more than a few goals in a career year, but he's not a big liability out on the ice and he does his job well. He goes into the corners and lays people out, wins a few puck battles and creates a scoring opportunity a game.

He's probably even on penalties drawn/taken which is about as much as you can ask for from him.

He's also a good skater and handles himself well.

I'd absolutely be fine with the Avs keeping him for another year or two and seeing how he does as our full time enforcer and letting Cody continue to showcase himself as a guy with a little more upside than 4th line fighter (did admirably as a 3rd string PKer for us and he's had some scoring chances).
Agreed.

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Why is the answer no?

For an enforcer, he's probably one of the better actual NHL players out of the bunch I've watched in the past few years. He's not going to score more than a few goals in a career year, but he's not a big liability out on the ice and he does his job well. He goes into the corners and lays people out, wins a few puck battles and creates a scoring opportunity a game.

He's probably even on penalties drawn/taken which is about as much as you can ask for from him.

He's also a good skater and handles himself well.

I'd absolutely be fine with the Avs keeping him for another year or two and seeing how he does as our full time enforcer and letting Cody continue to showcase himself as a guy with a little more upside than 4th line fighter (did admirably as a 3rd string PKer for us and he's had some scoring chances).
That's the one thing that has surprised me. The number of decent scoring chances his line seems to get every game. For being the 4th line, they seem to come out with a spark every game and it seems like they get at least 2 good scoring chances within their first couple shifts.

I agree that he isn't the best player, but his skills for a guy his size are pretty good. It also seems like it catches teams of guard a bit IMO.

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Why is the answer no?

For an enforcer, he's probably one of the better actual NHL players out of the bunch I've watched in the past few years. He's not going to score more than a few goals in a career year, but he's not a big liability out on the ice and he does his job well. He goes into the corners and lays people out, wins a few puck battles and creates a scoring opportunity a game.

He's probably even on penalties drawn/taken which is about as much as you can ask for from him.

He's also a good skater and handles himself well.

I'd absolutely be fine with the Avs keeping him for another year or two and seeing how he does as our full time enforcer and letting Cody continue to showcase himself as a guy with a little more upside than 4th line fighter (did admirably as a 3rd string PKer for us and he's had some scoring chances).
Agree, and I see small improvements with his positioning in the offensive zone without the puck as well as his ability to control the puck in the scrums in front and along the boards. He seems to be learning how to use his small building of a body to shield away defenders.
If he keeps it up this year, Id be ok seeing him push towards 9-10 minutes a game.

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He's pretty strong on the puck and can cycle it semi-competently. He does need coaching. He seems to have one hit a game that is half a second to a second late. If he learns to pass on those hits, he'll take fewer penalties in the long run.

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I don't particularly care to have him or any enforcer in the lineup. I'd much rather have a PK specialist take that spot over a goon who takes dumb penalties.

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I don't particularly care to have him or any enforcer in the lineup. I'd much rather have a PK specialist take that spot over a goon who takes dumb penalties.
To me this PK specialist should be a 4th line center, or 3rd line winger. It's not likely you'll find a PK specialist winger that's relegated to the 4th line.

I don't think he takes that many bad penalties. I think he's had a few bad calls against him too based on reputation.

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he's a enforcer type who's good at his role and actually has some solid puck skills. i think he is good for 8-10 mins a game but he shouldn't play that much if we're a really good team. as the talent grows his role will lessen.

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I personally really like Bordeleau.

Makes the most of his shifts, always delivers a big hit. Hell, I think he delivered more big hits this year than our whole team combined did last year. I wouldn't play him more than 10 minutes a game, but he's a good fit. Good fighter, lays out hits, and plays the game well enough to chip in a few points once in awhile.

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Sacco should put him in the crease on our PP, let him create havoc and screen the opposing goalie. He could find a real niche in that role, and given the state of the PP lately we've got nothing to lose by trying.

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I personally really like Bordeleau.

Makes the most of his shifts, always delivers a big hit. Hell, I think he delivered more big hits this year than our whole team combined did last year. I wouldn't play him more than 10 minutes a game, but he's a good fit. Good fighter, lays out hits, and plays the game well enough to chip in a few points once in awhile.
I agree with this. I forget who but he nailed a Hawks player big time last game. I don't believe he's detrimental to the team if he plays 8-10 minutes, and since we're rolling three lines he should play a little less than that anyways. He seems to always hustle, finish his hits and I like having someone on the team who can protect our guys. I mean, if Bickell started filling in Landeskog, I don't want McLeod or O'Brien going in (well whoever is on the ice has to step up).. but in the long run for retribution I want Bordeleau.

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I don't think we need to dress an enforcer every game but I do like the dimension he adds to our roster when guys start to get chippy. He also contributes well in his limited time, making a difference with some big hits and that Mcleod/Kobasew/Bordy/Olver group can protect the puck quite well against lesser competition giving us some momentum.

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