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02-26-2013, 07:13 AM
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Mark Fraser Leads NHL with a +14

Big surprise this year. He's exactly what our team needs in a 3rd pairing defenseman. He's an RFA and the end of the season. Discuss.


MOD EDIT - Doesnt need the "Confirmed with Link prefix". This isnt really the appropriate time to use it.


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02-26-2013, 07:28 AM
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Further proof why that stat is extremely flawed. Nothing against the guy but it doesn't really prove anything

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Further proof why that stat is extremely flawed. Nothing against the guy but it doesn't really prove anything
It's not flawed, it just requires context to determine what it means.

He doesn't get a lot of minutes or difficult matchups, but he's played the role he's been given as well as it can be played, and his +14 reflects that.

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It's not flawed, it just requires context to determine what it means.

He doesn't get a lot of minutes or difficult matchups, but he's played the role he's been given as well as it can be played, and his +14 reflects that.
Its flawed. For starters ,a player can get a minus for being on the ice for 1 second. Does that make him bad defensively? Its a stupid stat and doesn't determine a player completely.

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Jeff Schultz was a +50 a few years ago. Product of his team. The team is playing well and Fraser has been on at the right times. He's not generating that offense (with 2 assists) to deserve tons of praise for being +14.

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Further proof why that stat is extremely flawed. Nothing against the guy but it doesn't really prove anything
Yep, it's a bad stat. He's not even close to the best defensive defenceman on his own team, let alone in the NHL.

I guess the only thing you can take from it is that he's being used effectively in a bottom pairing role, but to know that you have to look up a bunch of other stats like TOI/G and QoC.


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02-26-2013, 08:22 AM
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Yep, it's a bad stat. He's not even close to the best defensive forward on his own team, let alone in the NHL.

I guess the only thing you can take from it is that he's being used effectively in a bottom pairing role, but to know that you have to look up a bunch of other stats like TOI/G and QoC.
Well he is also first in the league among defencemen in GA/60.

QoC puts him in the lower half of the league though

Also, not a forward.

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Well he is also first in the league among defencemen in GA/60.

QoC puts him in the lower half of the league though

Also, not a forward.
Ha, good call. Don't know why I wrote that.

But yea, like I said. He's been used effectively in his role (which is a good thing), but if you put him in a top pairing or even top 4 position, that +/- could start changing pretty quickly, and so would that GA/60.

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It's not flawed, it just requires context to determine what it means.

He doesn't get a lot of minutes or difficult matchups, but he's played the role he's been given as well as it can be played, and his +14 reflects that.


Agreed! Good post.

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Even if it is a flawed stat, I am still incredibly happy with Fraser's play and hope the Leafs can retain his services after this season for a decent price.

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2 even strength goals against in 17 games.

Can't believe that's gonna hold up.

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Flawed stat but it is still nice to see a Leaf topping something. I still love looking at the Save % and seeing Reimer 5th.

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I don't think Anaheim will be trading anymore d-men to Toronto.

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I don't think Anaheim will be trading anymore d-men to Toronto.
Beauchemin has been Norris-caliber in Anaheim this year while Rotten Ronnie tried to ruin him in Toronto.

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he's no aki.

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Fraser has been very good as a bottom-pairing serviceable d-man. He hasn't made any glaring mistakes yet and plays the body well in the corners and along the boards. Very impressed with him.

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Fraser has been very good as a bottom-pairing serviceable d-man. He hasn't made any glaring mistakes yet and plays the body well in the corners and along the boards. Very impressed with him.
and he comes cheap. We need reliable players like him if we want to start signing our top players.

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he's no aki.
No one will ever be Aki. Aki was one in a million.

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No one will ever be Aki. Aki was one in a million.
He had his own center of gravity...(yes that's a fat joke)

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He is a living testament that "defense wins" and that a good coach doesn't need high priced UFA named players to succeed. You couldn't find a more perfect 3rd pairing defender who makes < $1 mil and leads the NHL in +/- from a role position he excels at when on the ice.

Fraser is doing himself and the team proud under Carlyle's tutelage and it was the type of player that Leaf Nation hoped Luke Schenn would eventually grow into when drafted and developed under the right scenario.

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No one will ever be Aki. Aki was one in a million.
Aki was +14 in 2001-2002 with 81 games played lol while Darcy Tucker was our best with +24 and Sundin had +6

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So, +/- is a flawed stat for Fraser, but Lebda is bad because of -3 in 9-3 win?

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Well I would definitely rather him be +14 than a -14 whether the stat is flawed or not.

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Well I would definitely rather him be +14 than a -14 whether the stat is flawed or not.
Well the way the +/- system works a +14 means you are on the ice for 14 more goals for than against, while a -14 means the opposite and 14 more goals against than for while playing at even strength.

When one thinks about it that is an actual +28 goal differential swing from +14 to -14 position for a player.

That is why Fraser at +14 is playing regularly, and while last years worst -14 +/- players Komisarek and Liles sit in the pressbox as healthy scratches.

Carlyle understands the importance of how the NHL's +/- system stat reflects on the play of the players on his own team in comparison.

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