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03-04-2013, 10:10 AM
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How do folks feel about Jagr on Kellys line? Could be that LH shot on the PP that they currently lack.

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I don't know why but trading DK scares me…even if it is for a guy that can pop 40 goals. While DK is not your "typical elite" 1st line center his value is really good IMO. DK does frustrate me at times though too. Would rather trade Horton than Krejci for a top 6 upgrade, and that's even difficult to say for me. But do we even really need a top 6 upgrade? I don't think Peter is thinking that way at all.

I want to hear who you guys like for a 3rd line winger/center, and who do you like for some more help on defense? Any teams out there who could use/want our crap this year…Peverley, Boychuk, & Ference?
well said. for some reason trading krejci scares me too, but if it improves the team so be it. you summed up my thoughts perfectly.

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I'll agree to disagree.

I think the team didn't play well last night as a whole (except for the Marchand, Bergeron, & Seguin line) and they made some terrible mistakes, most notably the Krejci back pass leading to the Canadiens goal, but I thought Kelly & Peverley looked good. Put them with a better winger, and I think they start clicking.
Peverley looked fast, but that's just a product of his individual skill set. I don't think he and Kelly have really ever clicked at all this season. Whether it's because of the LW position or not, they've not looked very good IMO.

Agree to disagree, just a matter of opinion I s'pose.

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How do folks feel about Jagr on Kellys line? Could be that LH shot on the PP that they currently lack.
he is just too old and not the same player he once was.

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Me asking that doesn't me im not qualified to judge any Bruins player, or not know the game of hockey. I know how many players on each time 5, what a powerply is. what roughing is, checking, slashing, hooking, icing, netural zone Etc.i can keep going. Im not going to justify my hockey knowledge too anyone. I know the game because i watch hockey constantly, ask questions and read up. That's the mistake people make, just because you ask your fellow bruins fan a question, you are deemed not to know hockey or less. I would never ask anyone a question again. I have learnt my lesson. I just google it.
my comments had little to do with how much you know and more to how you deliver it.

Its like me asking someone to explain how to change a flat tire, and then yelling at them for buying a ford. I could be right, fords might suck, and that other guy might just hit me over the head with the tire iron


To each his own, do whatever you want, and what makes you happy. Was just trying to give you a heads up

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Come on. He only lead us in points on the way to the stanley cup. He makes lucic and horton better by getting them real easy scoring chances. Look at game 7 tampa.

The kid doesn't even know what the diff is in a top 9 and top 6 player. Lol
You assume much and expect people to take it as fact.

I see it the other way, I think Lucic and Horton create the space Krejci needs and without them he's the one who's worse off. Julien knows exactly what he's doing keeping that line together imo, and there's a reason for it.

Look at last season before and after Horton went down. 38 points in 43 games with him (0.89 pts per game) and 24 points in 36 games without him (0.67 points per game)... and that's not including the playoffs in which he had 3 points 7 games.

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he is just too old and not the same player he once was.
Recchi was deemed 'too old' also, he worked out well. Jagr isnt a speed demon, his game is (was) more puck control, & PP specialist. I admittedly havent watched him in a Dallas uniform this season, but he looked good with Philly last season.

Im not anticipating Chia going for a homerun acquisition, just a scoring threat who can compliment Kelly & Peverly and make that line a threat.

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You assume much and expect people to take it as fact.

I see it the other way, I think Lucic and Horton create the space Krejci needs and without them he's the one who's worse off. Julien knows exactly what he's doing keeping that line together imo, and there's a reason for it.

Look at last season before and after Horton went down. 38 points in 43 games with him (0.89 pts per game) and 24 points in 36 games without him (0.67 points per game)... and that's not including the playoffs in which he had 3 points 7 games.
73 points with Wheeler and Ryder "creating space for him".

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Alfredsson or Briere,Iginla would've been a good addition a few years ago.I feel that he has lost a lot this year,other than his strong mentality motivation his legs and hands are not the same.
Alfie would not cost too much and weould be a good fit with the b's if they don't want to spend too much money and prospects.Briere would follow.
I'm still wondering what a player like ''YANDLE'' DEF or ''PERRY'' FW would make with the BRUINS ? And at what cost ???

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73 points with Wheeler and Ryder "creating space for him".
Damn I forgot just how effective that WKR line was at times. I believe they were basically a 3rd line though weren't they? Perhaps their competition wasn't top notch.

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The two forwards I'd be targeting the heck out of would be Clowe and Briere. Even if it meant Peverley going the other way (I'd prefer Kelly but he won the full NTC raffle).

They need..something...on defense. Could be Streit although the talk that he's been playing hurt all season worries me. Could also be Krug

Clowe is a massive buy low and he's about to be a UFA. Briere is only going to waive his NTC to teams that will absolutely buy him out. So his market would be more limited than your typical deadline acquisition of his talent level.

Clowe-Kelly-Briere brings a little bit of everything and gives you two guys that could easily fill in top 6 if someone goes down.

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Can somebody explain how a Briere buyout would work, and what the cap implications may be? Say Boston trades for him, he finishes this season, Boston wins the cup of course, then they use a compliance buyout on Briere. What happens? What is Briere owed for cash from Boston, and what impact does it have on Boston's cap #

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my comments had little to do with how much you know and more to how you deliver it.

Its like me asking someone to explain how to change a flat tire, and then yelling at them for buying a ford. I could be right, fords might suck, and that other guy might just hit me over the head with the tire iron


To each his own, do whatever you want, and what makes you happy. Was just trying to give you a heads up
what i was saying had nothing to do with the topic. it is irrelevant to the topic being discussed. you can't compare me talking about krejci or any player be traded, or what moves chia should make to me asking what a top 9 foward is, 6 or another hockey terminologies. two separate topics. I wasn't yelling at anyone or belittling anyone. I was simply starting how no one on this team should not be deemed untouchable. I was using krejci as a example, but some people just insult you if you slight mention Krejci name on a trade.

What i meant by krejci is overrated as a player is not that he is overrated. it is the fact that some people here overrate him. They think he can do more than he is capable of while in reality he can't. I love Dougie as a player, but you dont see me saying he score 30 goals and 70 points or Seguin will score 40 goals. Im just a realistic person and i accept criticism on my favorite players. All im saying people shouldn't be throwing insults at fellow posters the moment a poster mentions a fellow posters favorite players getting traded. That's all. No matter how smart a person is, you can never stop learning.

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he is just too old and not the same player he once was.
If he was the same player he once was... NO ONE would suggest acquiring him for the 3rd line.

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73 points with Wheeler and Ryder "creating space for him".
Are you saying Wheeler and Ryder don't create space?

And (a) it's not 5 years ago anymore, he's failed to replicate that success since (b) that was playing behind the clear #1 line of Savard, Lucic and Kessel.

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Do the Pens have cap room?

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Are you saying Wheeler and Ryder don't create space?

And (a) it's not 5 years ago anymore, he's failed to replicate that success since (b) that was playing behind the clear #1 line of Savard, Lucic and Kessel.
Yes, I'm saying Wheeler and Ryder don't create space. Christ, that was the entire knock on Wheeler the entire time he played here.

And he's about as much of a 70+ player as he is a 50+ player. He's done each once, and 60+ the other two. So he's what you can expect, a defensively responsible (the craziest thing in my mind about the 70 point season isn't that, it's he did it with "meh" wingers 12:30 ES a game, and 1:45 of SH time) 60+ point guy. In Boston's system, that's extremely valuable.

That also being said, I still consider the Lucic-Krejci-Horton line the 2nd line. The LW-C-RW are just a bit better at each spot (and a lot better in Seguin's case) on the 1st line.

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I think our two needs are 3rd lin winger and defenseman. I just hope we can keep Koko and Spooner out of any deal.

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Can somebody explain how a Briere buyout would work, and what the cap implications may be? Say Boston trades for him, he finishes this season, Boston wins the cup of course, then they use a compliance buyout on Briere. What happens? What is Briere owed for cash from Boston, and what impact does it have on Boston's cap #
Briere is owed $3.3m over 4 years, none of which counts against the cap.

Briere (though he'd never say it) WANTS to be bought out. He's carrying a 6+ cap hit for 2 years, but is only making $5m. He gets bought out ($3.3m), he's free to sign wherever for easily more than $1.7m. That's why he's touchy about his NTC. He KNOWS Philly is going to buy him out, he can't guarantee that happens anywhere else. But as we all know, Boston is definitely one of the places where he'd get bought out. So Philly would be motivated to move him, they get an asset, they don't have to use the buyout on him, and they'd be eligible to re-sign him. Slam dunk really.

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Briere is owed $3.3m over 4 years, none of which counts against the cap.

Briere (though he'd never say it) WANTS to be bought out. He's carrying a 6+ cap hit for 2 years, but is only making $5m. He gets bought out ($3.3m), he's free to sign wherever for easily more than $1.7m. That's why he's touchy about his NTC. He KNOWS Philly is going to buy him out, he can't guarantee that happens anywhere else. But as we all know, Boston is definitely one of the places where he'd get bought out. So Philly would be motivated to move him, they get an asset, they don't have to use the buyout on him, and they'd be eligible to re-sign him. Slam dunk really.
Makes sense. So basically as long a team is willing to pay the guy 3.3 for basically nothing, it's kosher.

I have a hard time believing that Boston would do this I don't think my reasoning for that needs to be discussed.

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Seriously? Criticize his lack of offensive production but don't ever question his character especially if you have 0 proof. If he didn't care like you claim, he wouldn't be one of our Alternate Captains. He is a team first guy and always has been.

You can hate on him but making baseless claims that he doesn't give a **** will not fly and you will be called on it every time.
His defensive game has been off as well. He played one game where he was consistantly moving his feet. Krecji gets no slack when he goes through these lulls neither should Kelly.

Let him sit up in the press box a game it worked for Thornton.

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Makes sense. So basically as long a team is willing to pay the guy 3.3 for basically nothing, it's kosher.

I have a hard time believing that Boston would do this I don't think my reasoning for that needs to be discussed.
Eh, we have guys like that, they've just been our guys.

And in terms of paying Briere 3.3 for nothing, it's all a matter of perspective. A player of Briere's caliber who won't get bought out is likely bringing back a Kaberle package (if not more). So it's not $3.3m for nothing, it's $3.3m to keep say Khokhlachev and a 2nd. Worth it in my mind.

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I hate to say this because I'm a Bourque fan. But Kelly & Peverley look like different players when they are skating with Paille. They were all over the place last night. I think Chris puts in a heck of an effort, maybe it's just chemistry.

I think the team is better off with him scratched and Pandolfo on the 4th line. At least until a bigger upgrade can be made via trade.
What game were you watching the momentum was all in the bruins favor. The third line got 2 shifts after the great shift by Thornton and gave up 2 goals basically losing the game for you.

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Yes, I'm saying Wheeler and Ryder don't create space. Christ, that was the entire knock on Wheeler the entire time he played here.

And he's about as much of a 70+ player as he is a 50+ player. He's done each once, and 60+ the other two. So he's what you can expect, a defensively responsible (the craziest thing in my mind about the 70 point season isn't that, it's he did it with "meh" wingers 12:30 ES a game, and 1:45 of SH time) 60+ point guy. In Boston's system, that's extremely valuable.

That also being said, I still consider the Lucic-Krejci-Horton line the 2nd line. The LW-C-RW are just a bit better at each spot (and a lot better in Seguin's case) on the 1st line.
You mean the same two "meh" wingers who had as many (Ryder) or more points (Wheeler) as Krejci last season? And yes, when that line was clicking Wheeler and Ryder were creating a ton of space for Krejci.

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You mean the same two "meh" wingers who had as many (Ryder) or more points (Wheeler) as Krejci last season? And yes, when that line was clicking Wheeler and Ryder were creating a ton of space for Krejci.
They had as many points as Krejci did...in Boston? That's news to me. It's not as though I haven't written in a billion places in this thread that the systems are completely different. And to that, Winnipeg to use another sport as an analogy is like going from Duke to Rucker Park. Are there defensive responsibilities for forwards in the 'Peg? Because I've never seen them. Add that to two of the most offensive minded defensemen you'll ever see in Enstrom and Byfuglien and you're comparing apples to rocks.

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