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F - Ryan O'Reilly [RFA - unsigned] Draft - Calgary's 2013 2ND
D - Carl Gunnersson [RFA - 1 YR @ 1.325M] Draft - Toronto's 2013 1ST F - Max Reinhart
Calgary: gets an immediate upgrade for two prospects. If they want to full out tank then possibly this is the wrong direction for them but Grabovski is 29 years old and signed for 4-5 years. Management confuses me as an outsider but appears they do not want to blow things up, rather retool. Allows them to roll with Cammarelli - Grabovski - Stajan - Cervenka down the middle at a modest price.
Toronto: gets a left handed two-way center with upside of being a #1b to fit between Lupul and Kessel. Allows them to roll with O'Reilly - Kadri - Bozak - McCLement down the middle. In order to make up for the immediate upgrade on Grabbo [that also fits better with the team] they forfeit Gunnersson and a 1st round draft choice but also recieve a 2nd round pick from Calgary. For them this trade moves youth out and youth in, helps them compete now and in the future and for all intent and purposes structures their team better suited for Randy Caryle's game.
Colorado: gets a young top 4 defender [capable of playing on a top pairing] on an excellent cheap deal who is also an RFA, a center prospect in Reinhart, and a first round draft selection in a deep draft. Basically your standard player, prospect, pick type trade. Colorado may be able to snatch a better 1-for-1 swap for O'Reilly but it is really tough to tell at this point. The benefit of a trade like this allows them to continuing rebuilding, keep their cap hit down and hand pluck their own prospect in a couple of months. Where Toronto's pick falls will ultimately determine the total value of the deal but even in the 10-15 range it still offers solid value.
Just thinking of an idea here that might help out all three franchises. Hate it, love it, indifferent...???
I actually really like the deal. I think it's fair. Avalanche fans will say not enough because they all over value o'reilly and under value gunnerson but a top 4 Defencman,good prospect and a 1st is good value.
I actually really like the deal. I think it's fair. Avalanche fans will say not enough because they all over value o'reilly and under value gunnerson but a top 4 Defencman,good prospect and a 1st is good value.
Good job OP!
Max Reinhart's a good prospect? He's a mid-level guy.
Colorado gives up the best player in the deal and get 26-year-old Dman, mid 1st and a mid-level prospect? That's horrible value.
Flames get Grabovski for Reinhart and a 2nd
The Leafs get a similar calibre, albeit younger, player in O'Rielly for Grabovski + Gunnarsson + 1st?
Avs deal O'Rielly for a B-level prospect, a mid 1st and a 26 year old D?
You must possess a most dry sense of humour with that "most likely." Let's see Grabovski and Gunnerson and this year's 1st for ROR and a Calgary 2nd. A very definite, ultra-firm, you-must-be-joking, what-were-they thinking, well, *******, NO.
You must possess a most dry sense of humour with that "most likely." Let's see Grabovski and Gunnerson and this year's 1st for ROR and a Calgary 2nd. A very definite, ultra-firm, you-must-be-joking, what-were-they thinking, well, *******, NO.
haha yea I can be pretty dry at times
If i was the T.O. GM it would be a definite no for sure
I suppose you are think Grabovski is worth a 1st+ and same with Gunnersson?
well I definitely don't think upgrading from Grabo to O'Reilly would also require a first rounder, and a top 4 d-man.. even if a second is coming back as well
I suppose you are think Grabovski is worth a 1st+ and same with Gunnersson?
Of course Grabovski is worth a first. Second line centre seems pretty fair. Calgary fleeces everyone while Colorado probably loses out (tough to say given the circumstance) but the leafs get fleeced hard. Change Grabovski to Bozak and the first to a second and maybe Leaf fans don't laugh at you. Of course the deal wouldn't be fair for Colorado now but that's why this premise won't work.
well I definitely don't think upgrading from Grabo to O'Reilly would also require a first rounder, and a top 4 d-man.. even if a second is coming back as well
Well the way I'm looking at it...
Grabovski + Gunner + say 15th spot pick.
O'Reilly + 35th spot pick.
I truly think O'Reilly is better then Grabbo and any center we would be drafting at #15.
You may think we can just keep Grabovski, but I think we need an upgrade at center and this is the best way to get it.
I truly think O'Reilly is better then Grabbo and any center we would be drafting at #15.
You may think we can just keep Grabovski, but I think we need an upgrade at center and this is the best way to get it.
Our centre depth is only marginally better because our 1+2 is still a a low end #1 high end #2 centre, and a 2b or 3a type centre. Plus we lose good trading pieces. Pathetic asset management.
Calgary has already traded this years 2nd, also this seems like the kind of patch move Calgary would do in the past I hope we don't do it now. Not that Grabo is bad, but it is time for Calgary to build with younger players and Grabo would only help us keep up the fight for 8th.
Our centre depth is only marginally better because our 1+2 is still a a low end #1 high end #2 centre, and a 2b or 3a type centre. Plus we lose good trading pieces. Pathetic asset management.
