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02-23-2013, 09:19 PM
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Pomminville+ for O'reilly
In 2 seconds...

But why would they wanna pay Poms $5,000,000 and not O'Reilly?

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02-23-2013, 09:20 PM
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All you have to do is look at our team.

We have 1 legitimate top line player. Vanek. He was drafted 10 years ago.

We have 1 legitimate top line D man. Maybe. Ehrhoff.


We have a couple guys that can play Thier roles... But we are devoid of top end talent.





That's on the GM.
It is.

But I place more blame on the individual players than the GM...

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All you have to do is look at our team.

We have 1 legitimate top line player. Vanek. He was drafted 10 years ago.
last year Pominville was a top 20 scorer. One slump this year degrades him to a second line player?

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But why would they wanna pay Poms $5,000,000 and not O'Reilly?
Because Poms isnt a 2nd contract.

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Pomminville+ for O'reilly
Exactly if your going to trade him.
You dont trade Pommer to the Pens as someone suggested. What could we get remotely close to ROR?

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I'm waiting for that point where the players realize what they are apart of a sinking ship that wont find a way to stay afloat this time. Many of these guys will not be playing with each other next year one way or another. I guess when Ryan Miller stops ranting after a loss we know that it has finally clicked. I think part of the reason that they suck so bad right now is because most of them have no clue.
I fully expect Miller to ask to be dealt from this flaming barge of ****.

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Exactly. You dont trade Pommer to the Pens as someone suggested. What could we get remotely close to ROR?
Sutter/high end d prospect/pick

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This could very well be the true end of an era.

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02-23-2013, 09:24 PM
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1) you keep moving the goalposts on this. Stop it.
2) hockey players don't exist in a vacuum defined by their worst moments in your memory.Rivet was a legit top-4 dman when acquired, not to mention a legit #2 in mtl and sj. Moore is an exemplary 3C and was a decent 2C the year he was acquired. Do you really not remember this, or are you just being disingenuous?

Whoa....

You're the one who said he's done well "as of late"

And then talk about Drafting Vanek and trading for Drury and Briere.


That isn't as of late.

Like I asked someone else .... What legitimate top line players has he added via trade or draft in the last 7 years.... I would consider that "as Of late"


And I don't care what guys "were" like Rivet.

Part of running a team is foresight.


It's like giving Regier a pass because guys don't give effort. That's part of the equation when acquiring them.

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02-23-2013, 09:25 PM
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It is.

But I place more blame on the individual players than the GM...
Well yeah.... I the players were good the GM would look good.

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Exactly if your going to trade him.
You dont trade Pommer to the Pens as someone suggested. What could we get remotely close to ROR?
Why don't you? If any team needs Pominville it is the Penguins.

We are picking near last this season and probably next as well. How does trading him to Pittsburgh affect Buffalo at all?

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02-23-2013, 09:26 PM
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last year Pominville was a top 20 scorer. One slump this year degrades him to a second line player?
It's always been this way with Pommer. He's always been the only proven top liner when he played with Briere. Vanek didn't join the club until getting paired up with Pommer. And that's not a coincidence. He rarely gets the respect he deserves.

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Whoa....

You're the one who said he's done well "as of late"

And then talk about Drafting Vanek and trading for Drury and Briere.


That isn't as of late.

Like I asked someone else .... What legitimate top line players has he added via trade or draft in the last 7 years.... I would consider that "as Of late"
How about in the last 2?

Hodgson, Ehrhoff.

Ennis still has the potential to get there, as does Myers.

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Sutter/high end d prospect/pick
did you just equate Poms trade value to Jstaal?

for the record, i was being silly suggesting Poms+ for Oreilly.... the + would have to be a lot

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Why don't you? If any team needs Pominville it is the Penguins.

We are picking near last this season and probably next as well. How does trading him to Pittsburgh affect Buffalo at all?
You trade to improve YOUR own team.if he gets traded its for the best return not to help another team.

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02-23-2013, 09:29 PM
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How about in the last 2?

Hodgson, Ehrhoff.

Ennis still has the potential to get there, as does Myers.
Both guys are fringe.

A cup team would have Ehrhoff as Thier 2nd or 3rd best D man

Hodgson is a second line center, as is Ennis.

Lack of a legit top line center is a big reason why we suck so bad


And I like Hodgson. I like that trade, Darcy did well.



Darcy is an OK GM. Done some good things.

He's just not ThAT good. We can do better.

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It's always been this way with Pommer. He's always been the only proven top liner when he played with Briere. Vanek didn't join the club union getting paired up with Pommer. And that's not a coincidence. He rarely gets the respect he deserves.
You will not find a bigger Pominville fan than me, you can go back to when he was a prospect for that. But the guy is supposed to be the captain of the team and the team has too many of his bad qualities and not enough of his good qualities.

Soft, lacking any emotion out there and lacking and 2nd gear to push the team when needed. That sounds like the Buffalo Sabres because it is the Buffalo Sabres and he is our captain. If he's not captain next year then fine, keep him. But the team isn't going to change with him as a central leadership figure.

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You trade to improve YOUR own team.if he gets traded its for the best return not to help another team.
And my point is Pittsburgh needs him more than any team in the league so you squeeze every ounce of blood from that stone. Which is why I said Regier needs to be putting whispers in Shero's ear.

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02-23-2013, 09:32 PM
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You will not find a bigger Pominville fan than me, you can go back to when he was a prospect for that. But the guy is supposed to be the captain of the team and the team has too many of his bad qualities and not enough of his good qualities.

Soft, lacking any emotion out there and lacking and 2nd gear to push the team when needed. That sounds like the Buffalo Sabres because it is the Buffalo Sabres and he is our captain. If he's not captain next year then fine, keep him. But the team isn't going to change with him as a central leadership figure.


finish deconstructing the rochester core this deadline and this summer... rebuild. it's ok to suck, if we build properly along the way

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Exactly if your going to trade him.
You dont trade Pommer to the Pens as someone suggested. What could we get remotely close to ROR?
Sutter??

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did you just equate Poms trade value to Jstaal?

for the record, i was being silly suggesting Poms+ for Oreilly.... the + would have to be a lot
Colorado wouldn't want Pominville anyways. They know in trading RoR they're trading a player who will be a central figure for that team for 5+ years and I expect they want a similar player coming back.

Which is why I think you shop Pominville to a team that needs him as a legitimate last piece.

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And my point is Pittsburgh needs him more than any team in the league so you squeeze every ounce of blood from that stone. Which is why I said Regier needs to be putting whispers in Shero's ear.
And what could we possible get that's worth trading him to?

A center? No

A shutdown dman? No

Why? Because they need those players for a a up run.

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And my point is Pittsburgh needs him more than any team in the league so you squeeze every ounce of blood from that stone. Which is why I said Regier needs to be putting whispers in Shero's ear.
Pens have a boat load of high quality defense prospects and Buffalo had a thing for Bennett in his draft year. It would suck to see Poms lighting up the Sabres when they meet, but they could seriously jump-start a rebuild dealing him.

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