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02-24-2013, 11:58 AM
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Nobody should write off MPS as a 3rd 4th liner quite yet. That is a good role for him at this point, but I don't see a reason he cannot be a top 6 type some day. Some Swedes are notorious for taking alittle longer to develop certain skills.

Love his game this year so far. Looks like he's going in the right direction.

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02-24-2013, 12:10 PM
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He will be going back to the farm soon, I think he will be trade bait.

I think right now he is what he is, soft, no offensive instinct, ok defensive, great skater, borderline 4th line NHL'er.

Can he develop into anything more? I think so but its up to him. Hes so big if he starts crashing and banging he could be a great 3rd liner, if not things dont look to great for a 10th overall pick. One of the softest swedes i have ever seen.

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02-24-2013, 12:30 PM
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hey whats up with this guy. i know hes still young but cant seem to put his skill set together in edm.

maybe a change of scene is what he needs? oils are loaded in top 6. and i think that Paajarvi is better then a 3rd liner.

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Maybe a change of scenery... Hmmm Nash for Paajarvi

Naaah, not enough, Nash + 1st for Paajarvi

Troll, you haven't even seen Paajarvi play this year!

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02-24-2013, 01:38 PM
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I quite like the way the guy has developed. He's getting better at realizing how big and fast he is and is using that to his advantage. I think he'll always been a guy who is up and down with his offensive production but learning to be a solid all around guy who can play almost anywhere in the lineup is not a bad thing to have. it may not be glamorous but it can be a damned useful player to have.

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02-24-2013, 02:00 PM
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I love his attitude and willingness to embrace a new role.

He is on track to be a speedy defensive specialist. In time, i can see him avg 35-45 points a year on a third line and theres nothing wrong with that.

I hope heres here for a long time and i'm enjoying watching him develop
You don't draft somebody with the 10th overall pick and hope that they become a 40 point, 3rd liner. I, for one, have been very disappointed with Paajarvi.

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02-24-2013, 02:06 PM
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You don't draft somebody with the 10th overall pick and hope that they become a 40 point, 3rd liner. I, for one, have been very disappointed with Paajarvi.
He was never a good offensive player. He would have been better off in SEL for another year or two.

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02-24-2013, 02:13 PM
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You don't draft somebody with the 10th overall pick and hope that they become a 40 point, 3rd liner. I, for one, have been very disappointed with Paajarvi.
Take a minute and look up the 10th overall picks of the last 10-15 years and you wouldn't be disappointed with that.

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02-24-2013, 02:37 PM
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Not sure why everyone seems to be expecting Paajarvi to be this huge hitter all the time. He plays a more physical game already than half of our lineup and is still very much so developing.

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02-24-2013, 02:41 PM
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Love that the kid has upped his compete level this year. Wish his shot was as big as his heart.

Unfortunately, he is able to be sent down without clearing waivers and management likes to do things the easy way far too often.

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02-24-2013, 03:27 PM
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Excellent analysis and I agree totally. Mps anchored the 2nd line in OKC and he has developed maturity wise faster and further than the rest of the core group, he is the only one who has managed to equal the physicality of the NHL fully, he will stay and harti will drop down and MPS is alredy challenging Jones for his spot , his defense almost balances out his lack of goal scoring but with two GWGs already this year he is evolving upwards. next year Jonesy will be in deep.

People might have missed this but MPS actually has quite a competative mean streak we havent really witnessed full blown, I have seen glimpses of an angry and flying MPS with that Techno-Viking Nordic look in his eye. He has gone after some big customers this year and won more than he has lost battlewise.

Like everyone else he plays better with Gagner, put Yakupov with those two and we have our best line balance wise, Magnuses defensive awareness size ,speed and ability to play effectively without the puck are exactly what the 2nd line needs, simply because we need to light up Nail and to do that he needs the ability to break system rules occasionally and MPS can cover his arse along with Gagner if they need to. And they can keep up with each other, with MPSs support both Sam and Nail can become snipers creating a double threat making Yakupov even more effective, Hemmer didnt bring this compound effect which we need as an adge.

We very nearly screwed Magnus up with our wishy washy moves, we are lucky he is so undeniably talented as to seriously not be denied, if he were less mature and was fragile he would have already been damaged, instead he has shown more growth and maturity than his peers, OKC was very GoodMedicine for MPS and is a testament to Nelsons skills as a coach and Magnuses extra hard work and willingness to change in the hardest area of NHL hockey to evolve in for an offensive player-- the physical side, and he is a heavyweight so its even more amazing professionalism and maturity on display. Next year and in ten years people wll call Magnus the sleeper of the crop because I actually think he is going to break out offensively exactly like Gagner did by next year if he gets the minutes. He is the biggest most physically effective and able and close to the fastest young player we have , only Nuge is more defensively aware.

Magnus is part of my core , I feel he is going to be hotly chased in trade packages for some reason. Hang on to him Oilers and keep feeding him more and more work.
when you posses the raw skill that paajarvi has (speed, size, puck protection, good shot, plays in traffic, great hockey sense) you dont turn a player like that into a nice "reliable" 3rd line checker. once again misuse of talent. get o'reily if you want a mike pecca. give this guy a chance to succeed and he will shine. koptar was also a 10th overall pick and paajarvis game somewhat resembles his.

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02-24-2013, 03:35 PM
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when you posses the raw skill that paajarvi has (speed, size, puck protection, good shot, plays in traffic, great hockey sense) you dont turn a player like that into a nice "reliable" 3rd line checker. once again misuse of talent. get o'reily if you want a mike pecca. give this guy a chance to succeed and he will shine. koptar was also a 10th overall pick and paajarvis game somewhat resembles his.
Not in the offensive zone. Which is why he can't be a top-6 player.

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02-24-2013, 04:45 PM
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At this point it's clear you've run out of logical arguments - so I'm going to stop trying to teach someone that can't be taught.

MPS had 20 points (only 4 goals) in 38 games this year.
Nino has 39 points (22 goals) in 49 games this year.

Not to mention he's a year younger - and playing the toughest minutes on his team with the expectation that he leads them in scoring
While I agree Nino has better goal scoring skills we need to take into account that the large majority of games MPS played in OKC this season he was the 5th wheel behind Hall, RNH, Eberle and Schultz... Rightfully so but that is going to make his offensive totals look a little lower. He wasn't being given the premier ice time and offensive chances that Nino was given in Bridgeport.

I'd say it would be a pretty lateral move if anything, I like MPS' defensive game over Nino's and we have a spot on the roster for MPS, with Nino we would have to look into moving a top-6 forward but if we did that then we'd be banking on Nino to step in and be able to produce.

I'd keep MPS.

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You don't draft somebody with the 10th overall pick and hope that they become a 40 point, 3rd liner. I, for one, have been very disappointed with Paajarvi.
It depends how deep the draft is and what talent is available at that spot. It's not like they passed up one a surefire top-6 player.

You have to look at every draft differently, not just bunch them all together and make blanket statements.

The Rangers just drafted McIlrath 10th overall and at best he'll be a #6 bone crushing / fighting defenseman. Before that Floridia drafted Keaton Ellerby 10th overall, who looks like he'll be a bottom pairing dman.

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You don't draft somebody with the 10th overall pick and hope that they become a 40 point, 3rd liner. I, for one, have been very disappointed with Paajarvi.
That's fair, but if he can become a high quality 3rd liner, you still go with it.

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You don't draft somebody with the 10th overall pick and hope that they become a 40 point, 3rd liner. I, for one, have been very disappointed with Paajarvi.
You also don't draft someone first OA to have them become a bust , but it happens .

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I've mentioned it before, but someone who has taken a very similar career path is Boedker on Phoenix.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...95&encode=TRUE

Same idea. Early draft pick rushed into the NHL a year too soon. Had a decent first year, then struggled to maintain offense on both the NHL and AHL teams. With a couple years of work, Boedker is now a contributing member of a good NHL team.

That's why you don't rush prospects out the door, or trade them for players who've had one of the worst statistical seasons of all time.

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I like MPS, but I like Nedrettier's tool set better. More of a goal scorer/more physical.

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MPS is fine. He is turning into DVO. That is an asset we need.

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Take a minute and look up the 10th overall picks of the last 10-15 years and you wouldn't be disappointed with that.
It's scary to me how people expect 1st round draft picks to become ultimate superstars in a matter of years. A serviceable 30-50 point, 82 game per season type player at that number is a solid pick.

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I like MPS, but I like Nedrettier's tool set better. More of a goal scorer/more physical.
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It's scary to me how people expect 1st round draft picks to become ultimate superstars in a matter of years. A serviceable 30-50 point, 82 game per season type player at that number is a solid pick.
Probably even better than solid.

The highlights among 10th overall picks in the last 20 years is Andrei Kostitsyn, Michael Frolik, Nik Antropov, Radek Dvorak and Jocelyn Thibault.

Paajarvi has already played more NHL games than the majority of the other picks.

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Probably even better than solid.

The highlights among 10th overall picks in the last 20 years is Andrei Kostitsyn, Michael Frolik, Nik Antropov, Radek Dvorak and Jocelyn Thibault.

Paajarvi has already played more NHL games than the majority of the other picks.
I was going to do a bit of research and then post again but you beat me to it! I didn't realize Thibault was picked that high... I always thought he could be better than what he finished though.

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Not sure why everyone seems to be expecting Paajarvi to be this huge hitter all the time. He plays a more physical game already than half of our lineup and is still very much so developing.
I think it comes from having a big guy like Paajarvi on a forward core that is undersized. I'm as big a Paajarvi fan as anyone but I often find myself frustrated with his unwillingness to finish his checks.

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I was reading on twitter that Paajarvi was a +1 on shot differential against Chicago, whereas RNH and Eberle were in the -17 to -18 area against grinders. So Maggie is still doing okay as a low event player on an outplayed team. I'd like to see him work on rolling off of checks and retaining possession of the puck, though.

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I love his attitude and willingness to embrace a new role.
Me too! Reminds me of Smid.

Smid was really soft when he came to Edmonton and it seemed like he was trying to develop into a PMD instead of the might stay at home d-man he's turned into.

If Magnus keeps this up with his size and speed he could truly turn into an elite shutdown defender. A Todd Marchant with size.

Not the Hossa V2.0 I was hoping for, but still someone I'll greatly appreciate.

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