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04-17-2013, 06:36 PM
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He has to earn the promotion as it pertains to ice time and line mates. If he's not doing what the coach asks/requires he's not going to get rewarded.

Kredier has been inconsistent at best regardless of the role that has been asked of him, the whole team has, but when you are fighting for the PO's, it is easier to trust a vet in certain situations than a kid that is still dripping wet behind the ears.

he hasn't shown that he should be given 5-10 games to play with Stepan and Nash (they are the only two consistent producing forwards) and playing him with Richards is not going to do anything for the kid.

I do agree with your last comment. 20 minutes a night in all game situations in Hartford or 7-8 minutes a night in NY?

I prefer Hartford as well.
So your basically saying put him on the fourth line right and make him work his way up to Brassards line? Well we pretty much know whats going to happen then. Rather just keep him in the minors.
I wasn't suggesting he be put on Stepan's wing. I agree with you there, but what about on Brassards wing? someone with some playmaking ability. Don't want him with Richards either. Have to give the kid some room to play loose and not have to worry about every little turnover or mistake he makes.
I rather see newberry or haley or miller if we are gonna put him on the 4th line.
What about in the playoffs last year? Wasn't he thrown right into a top 2/3 line? I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure he wasnt getting 4th line minutes.

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04-17-2013, 06:42 PM
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No reason to call him up if we're not going to play him. I think a guy like Kris Newbury can provide single-digit minutes of fourth-line "grit" better than Kreider anyway.

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04-17-2013, 06:43 PM
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oh great. play him on the 4th with the 2 worst offensive players on the team then wait for people after the game to talk about how kreider didn't do anything to "show he should be promoted."

would be ridiculous if he's not at least on the third line.
Totally Agree. Thats what I am trying to say. I guess we are gonna promote Pyatt or Asham? Come on we have 6 games left. Why are we tinkering? Lets put the guy out on a line thats gonna give him the best chance to succeed. Cause if he succeeds the team will succeed.
Just like Torts message to take our best forward Nash off the first power play unit last night while we are down 2 goals. I mean some things you just have to shake your head at.

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No reason to call him up if we're not going to play him. I think a guy like Kris Newbury can provide single-digit minutes of fourth-line "grit" better than Kreider anyway.
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04-17-2013, 07:22 PM
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Agree with you guys. Kreider is not a player you call up to 'fill the roster'. He needs to be on the 2nd or 3rd line and be used to his best abilities, not forechecking on the 4th.

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Great, the 3 minutes he gets tomorrow will go a long way towards his development

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04-17-2013, 08:03 PM
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It's up to Kreider to prove himself. If that's on the 1st or 4th line doesn't mather, the effort needs to be there. If he's to be a +20g/+20a player, he must be able to produce even when his line mates are not named Stepan or Nash. But of course, he can't do anything with 5 min tot ice time. I hope he gets to play with Brassard. No need to put him on PP, haven't been good there (who has...) and just add pressure on him.

I really wish he gets his game together this time!!!

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04-17-2013, 08:05 PM
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I don't think they'd call him up to play on the 4th line. If they needed a 4th line fill in why choose a kid? (though I wouldn't put it past this team)

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04-17-2013, 08:18 PM
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If he is going to play with Powe and Asham on the 4th line, what the hell is the point of calling him up.

Call up Newbury, Ferriero, even Mashinter or Segal.

I get not trusting him in the playoff push. But leave him in Hartford.

Straight out of the Islanders playbook of how to ruin prospects.

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04-17-2013, 08:22 PM
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It's up to Kreider to prove himself. If that's on the 1st or 4th line doesn't mather, the effort needs to be there. If he's to be a +20g/+20a player, he must be able to produce even when his line mates are not named Stepan or Nash. But of course, he can't do anything with 5 min tot ice time. I hope he gets to play with Brassard. No need to put him on PP, haven't been good there (who has...) and just add pressure on him.

I really wish he gets his game together this time!!!
His game was fine last time. He was getting chances and playing a chippy, physical game. He got benched anyway. If Torts is staying, might as well trade Kreider because he clearly dislikes this player. Maybehe can go to Columbus and have fun with the +7 Marian Gaborik.

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04-17-2013, 08:35 PM
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If Zucc and Cally swap places that would probably be equally good.
Love the top 3 lines and cally on 3rd line where he belongs. Would like another body from the whale for pyatt. Either hrivic,Haley, or miller.

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****ing Torts.

Just infuriates me how much of an imbecile this man can be. Lets ruin the development and confidence of our best prospect... for the 4th time.

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04-17-2013, 09:42 PM
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It's up to Kreider to prove himself. If that's on the 1st or 4th line doesn't mather, the effort needs to be there. If he's to be a +20g/+20a player, he must be able to produce even when his line mates are not named Stepan or Nash. But of course, he can't do anything with 5 min tot ice time. I hope he gets to play with Brassard. No need to put him on PP, haven't been good there (who has...) and just add pressure on him.

I really wish he gets his game together this time!!!
I don't think it's a lack of effort. He just looks a bit lazy, but some players have that over them. He's not the type of player who rushes down the boards every single second, but picks his moments. I see guys like Hagelin and Stepan do the same. The only player who gives 100% every shift is Callahan but he is not human. You cannot expect the same from every other player, especially not Kreider. He is just not that type of player.

He needs to be on a line with guys who can pass the puck so he can use his speed. There's no point in putting him with Powe and Asham while Pyatt is shifted to the 3rd.

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Don't think he is an improvement on the roster, bad decision.

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Don't think he is an improvement on the roster, bad decision.
At worst, he is equal to Boyle.

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At worst, he is equal to Boyle.
Boyle is a better NHL player than Kreider.

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Lets not get too cute here Kershaw, if our best prospect wasn't better than Boyle, we would be ****ed. With Boyle on the second line, Kreider is much better than him for the top 6, bottom 6 not so much. That's like saying Boyle is better than Gaborik in the NHL. Maybe on the 4th line, but not on the first.

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I remember at the beginning of the year there was a lot of excitement for Kreider and even after his first call up, but now its amazing the indifference or even some fans saying he's not worth the call up. Just hope he does well and finds some kind of a scoring touch. We all know we need it.

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Lets not get too cute here Kershaw, if our best prospect wasn't better than Boyle, we would be ****ed. With Boyle on the second line, Kreider is much better than him for the top 6, bottom 6 not so much. That's like saying Boyle is better than Gaborik in the NHL. Maybe on the 4th line, but not on the first.
Boyle had better numbers at BC.

But the point is, Kreider is far from a NHL player right now. Really flawed player IMO. Needs to get some seasoning.

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Whether or not he's worth the call up entirely depends on the role they give him. If he's going to play with asham/powe/pyatt it's a complete waste. If he's actually going to be put with people who have some offensively ability and not get benched after 3 minutes he could help.

And Boyle is an extremely flawed player as well. The offense is never going to get better if we're scared of putting out guys who have offensive ability/potential and rely on guys like Boyles, Fedotenkos, Powes, Rupps, Brashears etc.. to come on the ice and waste time when they have little to no chance to score.

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He's not going to do anything on the 4th line grinding it out with Powe and Asham and if Pyatt is in our top 9 I will throw things at my tv.

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Boyle is one of the most flawed players on the roster, we don't know yet what Kreider is capable of in a top 6 role over a large sample size, he gets tossed around the line up back and forth, it would ruin anyone's confidence. After the Isles screwed up Niño, I'm scared of what can happen with Kreider. Lets hope for the best. Anyone know his stats since his last call-up? How's he been doing on the Whale?

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I don't see Kreider ever being as good defensively as Boyle

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The way Kreider has played this season, Boyle is slightly more valuable to winning games right now. I would like nothing more than for that to change drastically.

They're both completely lacking on opposite sides of the puck.

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I don't see Kreider ever being as good defensively as Boyle
Foot speed does wonders to your defensive game.

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