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03-24-2005, 11:43 AM
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NHL Cancells 2005 Draft

http://postgazette.com/pg/05083/477026.stm

The NHL just cancelled the draft in June.

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Yea I saw that. BAD move, for a number of reasons. Talk about alienating the fans. HOWEVER, if they are doing that just to lure the players as replacements, then, then it becomes a bright idea. I've said all along i'd support replacement players!

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The NHL needs to get back to business as usual (or as close as they can to this) as soon as possible. This stuff sucks.

If it takes replacement players to get things going again in a semi-normal way, then I hope arrangements are made for this sooner rather than later. But DJmastamind, how does this move lure players as replacements? I'm not doubting that it does -- just trying to understand your meaning.

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03-24-2005, 02:06 PM
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The chances of landing Crosby may have just been greatly diminished!

Now, he may go to the highest bidder.

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The chances of landing Crosby may have just been greatly diminished!

Now, he may go to the highest bidder.
Not true at all. They didnt cancel the draft. They canceled the dates. There will be a draft this year.

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They cancelled a live televised draft in Ottawa

there will still be a draft his year before the season starts (via conference call)

and yes, a season will start, whether or not its with the NHL players or not remains to be seen

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The NHL needs to get back to business as usual (or as close as they can to this) as soon as possible. This stuff sucks.

If it takes replacement players to get things going again in a semi-normal way, then I hope arrangements are made for this sooner rather than later. But DJmastamind, how does this move lure players as replacements? I'm not doubting that it does -- just trying to understand your meaning.

Ah, I could have stated that better. Well 05 draft class is the most talented IMO then we have seen in quite along time. These kids could become replacement players, (not being part of the union, intil playing their first game in the NHL) without giving up skill were used to seeing in the NHL, that in turn could lure the NHLPA players to break the union and play, under new rules and a cap.

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Can't do the draft with no CBA. If an impasse is declared, and the owners install the system of their choice, then they can have the draft......

.....problem is, is that they had millions tied up in hotel rooms. The league probably realized that one way or another, the draft wasn't going to happen on the scheduled dat, and didn't want to be on the hook for all the hotel rooms, with no draft. Makes complete sense. Noothing earth shattering.

....As someone else stated, draft will probably be held wither via conference call, or in a small venue to get it televised as normal....But it will be done quickly. No big hoopla, unless a CBA is hammered out real soon so that it can be rescheduled in Ottawa in July or August.

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Ah, I could have stated that better. Well 05 draft class is the most talented IMO then we have seen in quite along time. These kids could become replacement players, (not being part of the union, intil playing their first game in the NHL) without giving up skill were used to seeing in the NHL, that in turn could lure the NHLPA players to break the union and play, under new rules and a cap.
Most talented in a long time? Have you heard of the year 2003, and the fact that said draft year was packed with talent? I don't know if you can match the overall talent outside of the top 3 picks in 05.

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Cancel = postpone until further notice

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Not true at all. They didnt cancel the draft. They canceled the dates. There will be a draft this year.
Hence the word "may"

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Not an unexpected decision, but it still blows. The NHL really is doing a number on it's fans.


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To me this isn't news. No CBA, No draft. All this does is take away some leverage from the NHLPA.

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http://postgazette.com/pg/05083/477026.stm

The NHL just cancelled the draft in June.
I think this is only a ploy from the NHL to the NHLPA to get there butts in gear and respond to the NHL's latest proposal.
The NHLPA has been meeting for the last 2 days in Toronto and nothing has been accomplished, but rumors have been hinting that the NHLPA is coming out with a counter offer. Mabey the cancel of the draft really made them think.

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I think this is only a ploy from the NHL to the NHLPA to get there butts in gear and respond to the NHL's latest proposal.
The NHLPA has been meeting for the last 2 days in Toronto and nothing has been accomplished, but rumors have been hinting that the NHLPA is coming out with a counter offer. Mabey the cancel of the draft really made them think.
Everything they've done lately is a ploy. Nothing works. I'm done following the whole CBA thing.. its not worth the time. I'll listen when they say "We've reached an agreement." Until then, they can have their little sibling fights and hide in their corners. I'm tired of it

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Everything they've done lately is a ploy. Nothing works. I'm done following the whole CBA thing.. its not worth the time. I'll listen when they say "We've reached an agreement." Until then, they can have their little sibling fights and hide in their corners. I'm tired of it
Amen brother!

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Can we all make an agreement that noone puts up an avatar with 87 and Crosby's name on the back of a Pens jersey? I seem to recall a few people doing that last year with Ovechkin and thinking "aww crap, this is gonna jinx us."

Just a thought...

edit: although in the end, it turned out OK, I'd still rather not tempt fate. I get the feeling that the gap between Brule/Johnson and Crosby is a heckuva a lot bigger than the gap between Malkin and AO (if there even is one anymore).

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i agree!

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Most talented in a long time? Have you heard of the year 2003, and the fact that said draft year was packed with talent? I don't know if you can match the overall talent outside of the top 3 picks in 05.
Yes, I've heard of the year 2003. But MOST of those kids outside of Nash haven't proved themselves yet. Off the Top 05 looks more talented, IMO

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Yes, I've heard of the year 2003. But MOST of those kids outside of Nash haven't proved themselves yet. Off the Top 05 looks more talented, IMO
The argument wasn't which top 5 was better.

You said the 05 draft class as a whole is the most talented in years. If "years" can mean just 2.. then I guess that's right. But I think 2003 as far as overall depth is way better than 05.

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The argument wasn't which top 5 was better.

You said the 05 draft class as a whole is the most talented in years. If "years" can mean just 2.. then I guess that's right. But I think 2003 as far as overall depth is way better than 05.

IMO, 05 as a whole yes looks like they are the most talented. Here is the draft by Round. Most haven't had a chance to play/proove themselves yet. Just from looking at the names, IMO only a handful from the first 3 rounds have talent.

ROUND 1
1 Pittsburgh Marc-Andre Fleury G Cape-Breton Screaming Eagles
2 Carolina Eric Staal C Peterborough Petes
3 Florida Nathan Horton C Oshawa Generals
4 Columbus Nikolai Zherdev R CSKA Moscow
5 Buffalo Thomas Vanek U. of Minnesota
6 San Jose Milan Michalek R Ceske Budejovice HC
7 Nashville Ryan Suter US National Under-18 Team
8 Atlanta Braydon Coburn D Portland Winter Hawks
9 Calgary Dion Phaneuf D Red Deer Rebels
10 Mtl. Canadiens Andrei Kostitsyn CSKA Moscow
11 Philadelphia Jeff Carter C Sault-Ste.-Marie Greyhounds
12 NY Rangers Hugh Jessiman F Dartmouth College
13 Los Angeles Dustin Brown R Guelph Storm
14 Chicago Brent Seabrooke D Lethbridge Hurricanes
15 NY Islanders Robert Nilsson Leksands IF
16 San Jose Steve Bernier R Moncton Wildcats
17 New Jersey Zach Parise U. of North Dakota
18 Washington Eric Fehr R Brandon Wheat Kings
19 Anaheim Ryan Getzlaf R Calgary Hitmen
20 Minnesota Brent Burns R Brampton Battalion
21 Boston Mark Stuart D Colorado College
22 Edmonton Marc-Antoine Pouliot C Rimouski Oceanic
23 Vancouver Ryan Kesler C Ohio State University
24 Philadelphia Mike Richards C Kitchener Rangers
25 Florida Anthony Stewart R Kingston Frontenacs
26 Los Angeles Brian Boyle F St. Sebastian's
27 Los Angeles Jeff Tambellini U. of Michigan
28 Anaheim Corey Perry R London Knights
29 Ottawa Patrick Eaves F Boston College
30 St. Louis Shawn Belle D Tri-City Americans

Round 2
31 Carolina Danny Richmond D
32 Pittsburgh Ryan Stone C
33 Dallas Loui Eriksson R
34 Tampa Bay Mike Egener L
35 Nashville Konstantin Glazachev
36 Dallas Vojtech Polak F
37 Nashville Kevin Klein D
38 Florida Kamil Kreps C
39 Calgary Tim Ramholt D
40 Mtl. Canadiens Cory Urquhart C
41 Tampa Bay Matt Smaby
42 New Jersey Petr Vrana C
43 San Jose Josh Hennessy C
44 Los Angeles Konstantin Pushkarev
45 Boston Patrice Bergeron C
46 Columbus Dan Fritsche C
47 San Jose Matt Carle D
48 NY Islanders Dmitri Chernykh
49 Nashville Shea Weber D
50 NY Rangers Ivan Baranka D
51 Edmonton Colin McDonald R
52 Chicago Corey Crawford G
53 NY Islanders Evgeny Tunik
54 Dallas B.J. Crombeen R
55 Florida Stefan Meyer C
56 Minnesota Patrick O'Sullivan C
57 Toronto John Doherty
58 NY Islanders Jeremy Colliton C
59 Chicago Michal Barinka D Ceske
60 Vancouver Marc-Andre Bernier R
61 Mtl. Canadiens Maxim Lapierre C
62 St. Louis David Backes F
63 Colorado David Liffiton D
64 Detroit Jim Howard G
65 Buffalo Branislav Fabry
66 Boston Masi Marjamaki L
67 Ottawa Igor Mirnov
68 Edmonton Jean-Francois Jacques L

Round 3

69 Philadelphia Colin Fraser C
70 Pittsburgh Jonathan Filewich R
71 Columbus Dmitry Kosmachev
72 Edmonton Mishail Joukov
73 Pittsburgh Daniel Carcillo L
74 Buffalo Clarke MacArthur C
75 NY Rangers Ken Roche F
76 Nashville Richard Stehlik D
77 Phoenix Tyler Redenbach C
78 Minnesota Dan Irmen F
79 Mtl. Canadiens Ryan O'Byrne D
80 Phoenix Dmitry Pestunov
81 Philadelphia Stefan Ruzicka R Nit
82 Los Angeles Ryan Munce G
83 Washington Stephen Werner F
84 St. Louis Konstantin Barulin
85 Philadelphia Alexandre Picard D
86 Anaheim Shane Hynes F
87 Philadelphia Ryan Potulny F
88 St. Louis Zack Fitzgerald D
89 Nashville Paul Brown R
90 Anaheim Juha Alen D
91 Toronto Martin Sagat L
92 Nashville Alexander Sulzer
93 New Jersey Ivan Khomutov C
94 Edmonton Zach Stortini R
95 Philadelphia Rick Kozak R
96 Tampa Bay Jonathan Boutin G
97 Calgary Ryan Donally C
98 Nashville Grigory Shafigulin
99 Dallas Matt Nickerson D
100 Ottawa Philippe Seydoux
101 St. Louis Konstantin Zakharov L


Ok, Most taken in the first round have played and made a nice contribution th their teams. Talented players in the first round, that haven't played Thomas Vanek, Ryan Getzlaf, Jeff Carter, Dion Phanuef, Ryan Suter, and Andrei Kostitsyn

Taken in the second round Bergeron is going to be if not already is a star, Fritsche will be a 2nd liner that contribute regularly with Columbus, and O' Sullivan the same for Minnesota.

From Round 3 Denny Irmen could be a talent in the NHL, and Ryan Munce IMO will be a back up in LA

Round 4 Corey Locke could be talented and Paul Bissonnette, and Dany Stewart

Round 5 I don't see Lasse Kukkounen doing much

Round 6 Again I don't see Esa Pirnes doing much either

Round 7 Andy Chiodo is a great back-up for Fleury and could challenge for the job sometime in the future.

So....Other then those mentioned this draft IMO is not that deep.

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Corey Perry, Zach Parise, and Mike Richards are very talented players as well. They will be 1st liners in years to come.

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Corey Perry, Zach Parise, and Mike Richards are very talented players as well. They will be 1st liners in years to come.
Ah, You are absolutely correct Corey Perry is talented. Zach Parise i'm not sure, i've heard many conflicting arguments. I'm not saying he will be a bust, i'm just not sure at this moment.

Same with Mike Richards-I'm just not sure

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