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02-23-2013, 05:42 PM
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Oilers vets at the deadline

Just curious what teams would be interested in these players:

Hemsky - under contract next year as well (5 mil hit). I would hope for a 1st in return.

Belanger - limited offence, but excellent PK and strong face-off abilities. Under contract next year as well (1.7 hit). I would hope for a 3rd in return.

Khabibulin - has looked great since his return. 2-2 with a 1.89 avg and .942 sv%. UFA at year end. I would expect a 2nd in return.

We also have a special buy one and get a free Ryan Whitney promotion (no refunds however, buyer beware).

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02-23-2013, 05:44 PM
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Why would Edmonton trade away their experienced players? If they get into the play-offs (Unlikely I know but not impossible) then those players with experience will be valuable. Besides, aren't the Oilers doing enough to rebuild, why trade players away for picks which would likely put them back a few years. If they were to trade away the above it'd be for players in return and lower level picks.

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I think the Oilers are done with trading players for high picks. If they kept on doing that, it would just be a continual rebuild.

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Just curious what teams would be interested in these players:

Hemsky - under contract next year as well (5 mil hit). I would hope for a 1st in return.

Belanger - limited offence, but excellent PK and strong face-off abilities. Under contract next year as well (1.7 hit). I would hope for a 3rd in return.

Khabibulin - has looked great since his return. 2-2 with a 1.89 avg and .942 sv%. UFA at year end. I would expect a 2nd in return.

We also have a special buy one and get a free Ryan Whitney promotion (no refunds however, buyer beware).
khabby wont get a second, likely on his last legs, unless a team has 3 goalies injured and tied for 8th place

Hemsky would get a 1st and average prospect

Belanger- depends on team need, not sure worth a 3rd tho

Moot points- Oilers would trade prospects for experience, not other way around

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Hemsky for a first at the deadline is just a brutal move, no way around it. We can't keep trading our established NHL'ers for a bag of magic beans. And Belanger, trading the only guy that can win 1 out of 2 faceoffs, goodness... No more picks!!!

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02-23-2013, 05:48 PM
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Why would Edmonton trade away their experienced players? If they get into the play-offs (Unlikely I know but not impossible) then those players with experience will be valuable. Besides, aren't the Oilers doing enough to rebuild, why trade players away for picks which would likely put them back a few years. If they were to trade away the above it'd be for players in return and lower level picks.
Because they need 3 more first overall picks to finish off their starting line up, right now they only have C, RW, and LW.

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Just curious what teams would be interested in these players:

Hemsky - under contract next year as well (5 mil hit). I would hope for a 1st in return.

Belanger - limited offence, but excellent PK and strong face-off abilities. Under contract next year as well (1.7 hit). I would hope for a 3rd in return.

Khabibulin - has looked great since his return. 2-2 with a 1.89 avg and .942 sv%. UFA at year end. I would expect a 2nd in return.

We also have a special buy one and get a free Ryan Whitney promotion (no refunds however, buyer beware).
Neither Habby or Belanger get you that in return and the oilers may need to take a contract back to move Belanger

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Why would we get rid of them? We need to be trading some futures for established players to complement the talent we have. We're failing mainly because of a lack of depth and veteran talent.

If you can upgrade these guys by packaging futures, I'd be all for that.

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02-23-2013, 06:26 PM
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Why would Edmonton trade away their experienced players? If they get into the play-offs (Unlikely I know but not impossible) then those players with experience will be valuable. Besides, aren't the Oilers doing enough to rebuild, why trade players away for picks which would likely put them back a few years. If they were to trade away the above it'd be for players in return and lower level picks.
Perhaps I should have elaborated more on the motive behind the moves. There are still some major holes/flaws in our lineup. The moves would take place at the deadline, and obviously only if we aren't in the hunt (which is unfortunately inevitable... just wait and see how we do on this 9 game road trip). We need more size and grit in our lineup, and at least one guy like that in the top 6. This makes Hemsky expendable as I value Hall, Ebs, Gagner, Yak and The Nuge much more. We try in free agency to land the big top 6 guy (Clowe maybe) and if we fail to do so, acquire one through trade (which is where the deep prospect pool comes into play).

With 4 smaller guys in our top 6 that means we need a much beefier bottom 6. This is where Belanger becomes expendable. For all the good things he does defensively and in the dot, he doesn't provide enough offence to offset the lack of physical presence. A guy like Jerred Smithson is just as good in the dot, way more physical, bigger, and good PKer. Pretty close to the same offence, and is doing it for half the price.

Moving Khabby is simply grabbing an asset for an impending UFA.

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Why would we get rid of them? We need to be trading some futures for established players to complement the talent we have. We're failing mainly because of a lack of depth and veteran talent.

If you can upgrade these guys by packaging futures, I'd be all for that.
Why does fans get it in their mines that draft picks are better then players . So we trade Hemsky for a late first rd and draft ? and wait for how long to have a player as good as Hemsky ? This may of made sense 2 or 3 years ago . Only way we trade Hemsky is for a big winger with grit and who can score to replace him . Now tell me how many team are going to line up and give us this type of player . If i was GMST i would talk with each of my players and find out who wants to be with this team LT and see if the will take a home town discount so we can add vets . As much as i hate the Canucks their players seem to take less to player there . They must be doing something right . GMST not so much . Bottom line we need more vets not less

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Whitney at 1/2 salary to NYR for a 3rd. Whitney at 1.75 is somewhat okay, he'll be a PP specialist and that's it.

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Even if the Oilers are out of the playoffs at the deadline, Hemsky and Belanger are going to be very important in their push to make the playoffs next year. Trading them at any point this season just doesn't make sense.

Khabibulin makes some sense. As does Whitney, but trading guys like Hemsky and Belanger for picks is just terrible.

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Neither Habby or Belanger get you that in return and the oilers may need to take a contract back to move Belanger
Belanger is the type of centreman that teams need in the playoffs. I am not saying he is worth a 2nd but he would be worth a 3rd to a team. He still has one year left on his contract so there is no need for EDM to move him any way.

Khabi is playing very well. He is that vetern net minor that teams look for. Unless EDM is out of the playoff race then these player won't be moved.

I can see EDM moving a dman though.

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Even if the Oilers are out of the playoffs at the deadline, Hemsky and Belanger are going to be very important in their push to make the playoffs next year. Trading them at any point this season just doesn't make sense.

Khabibulin makes some sense. As does Whitney, but trading guys like Hemsky and Belanger for picks is just terrible.
I agree about Hemsky and Belanger, I can see Hemsky moving in the off season or if he keeps up his play a team over paying at the deadline.

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Neither Habby or Belanger get you that in return and the oilers may need to take a contract back to move Belanger
Belanger would be very easy to move. Teams are always looking for centers and the majority of his contract (.9 mill) can be buried if i understand the new rules correctly.

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Even if the Oilers are out of the playoffs at the deadline, Hemsky and Belanger are going to be very important in their push to make the playoffs next year. Trading them at any point this season just doesn't make sense.

Khabibulin makes some sense. As does Whitney, but trading guys like Hemsky and Belanger for picks is just terrible.
Agreed, unless it's an insane pick package it makes little sense to deal Hemsky or Belanger for picks. Whitney is fair game, not sure about Khabibulin though unless we acquire a back-up that's better than Danis.

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There are some in the Edmonton media that Boston or Toronto may go for Khabibulin for a pick if the Oilers fall out.

Toronto for the experience.
Boston too, but I think Khudobin is fine.

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The only one of those that might be moved at the deadline is Khabiboulin, and even then, we don't have a good backup in the system. Ryan Whitney is a sure bet to moved, as he is an extra for us right now. I wouldn't expect much, a 2nd if someone is desperate for a depth d-man. More likely a 3rd or 4th. I wouldn't expect the Oilers to be movers this deadline. Not to mention that they are only one game out of the playoffs right now.

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Horcoff is injured. Gagner and RNH have a combined 20% faceoff win percentage and you wanna trade Belanger for a 3rd so that in 5 years we can see this fluke pick play like 2 NHL games because of injuries

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Hemsky for Tallinder, Tedenby, and a 4th

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Yeah, let's trade established NHL players for more magic beans which may or may not pan out. Belanger is the only decent faceoff man in Edmonton. Christ, this place sometimes.....

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Horcoff is injured. Gagner and RNH have a combined 20% faceoff win percentage and you wanna trade Belanger for a 3rd so that in 5 years we can see this fluke pick play like 2 NHL games because of injuries
No, as I said in a previous post I want to move Belanger because we are butter soft down the middle. And again, the premise was at the deadline and if we are out of the playoff race. I am glad there are so many optimists looking at our situation and saying "hey, we're only 2 points out of a playoff spot." A more realistic person might look at it properly though and say "we're 12th in the West and about to embark on a 9 game road trip that sees us play the Hawks twice, Wings, Blues, Stars and Preds. The Jackets and Avs are winnable, possibly the Wild too, but we always play like crap in their barn. 3-5-1 would be considered a success on that trip.

Smithson would be a UFA target. Boyle might be attainable in a swap for Whitney if the Rags feel desperate enough given their injury woes on D. Guys who do the same thing as Belanger with way more jam to their game.

I don't care if my proposals are slammed by the Oil faithful right now. Those of you who think we can be a playoff team with our current top 6 will get your wake up call on this road trip when we play the Blues. Guys like Backes, Stewart, Oshie and Reaves are going to run us out of that rink. The deals aren't just about gaining picks, but opening roster spots for guys that fill a larger need. Every team could use a Hemsky type in their top 6, but 5 of them?

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Just curious what teams would be interested in these players:

Hemsky - under contract next year as well (5 mil hit). I would hope for a 1st in return.

Belanger - limited offence, but excellent PK and strong face-off abilities. Under contract next year as well (1.7 hit). I would hope for a 3rd in return.

Khabibulin - has looked great since his return. 2-2 with a 1.89 avg and .942 sv%. UFA at year end. I would expect a 2nd in return.

We also have a special buy one and get a free Ryan Whitney promotion (no refunds however, buyer beware).
Hemsky (along with Hall) have been the oilers most dangerous offensive threats this year 5 on 5. However, Oilers top 6 is too small and Hemsky does not fall into the core age group and is not a vetern leader. As much as many believe he is a worthless injury riddled player, any team needing skill and PP help should be interested. He is still in his prime years and has a reasonable contract. A playoff bound teams first and a prospect makes sense for the Oilers.

Belanger should not be moved he wins faceoffs and is a key contributer to a top 10 penalty kill.

Khabby for a 2nd makes sense if a team is desperate enough for playoff insurance.

Whitney has been awful in the system the Oilers are playing this year but has value due to his UFA contract status and history as a puckmoving power play defenseman. His play up to deadline will dictate that value likely a 2nd or 3rd.

Hemsky and Khabby will only be moved at deadline for those types of packages if the Oilers are unlikely to make the playoffs.

Horcoff is another name which could intrest a team with a self imposed cap. His 5.5 cap hit is ugly for a 3rd line centerman but actual money over his last 2 years is 4 and 3. Likely baught out if not traded could be optained for very little and be potentially benificial for both teams by unloading a simular bad contract (2 years 5.5 hit) plus a prospect and/or pick. Then the Oilers could buyout that player instead.

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Hemsky for Tallinder, Tedenby, and a 4th
Tedenby - another small forward very little value to Oilers
Tallinder - another depth defenseman not what the Oilers are missing they need top end guys already carrying 8 defensemen, depth is not the issue

Not a good proposal if you consider the Oilers needs.

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