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Brad Richards - Buyout Candidate?

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02-25-2013, 01:41 PM
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I can see the Jackets trading for Richards

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02-25-2013, 01:44 PM
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NYR's/Sather have bad contracts floating around the league all over the place. Which player will they overpay this offseason? They should not be allowed to participate in free agency anymore haha....but seriously.
I would be perfectly ok with that

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So glad him and Gaborik decided not to sign in LA.
You are happy that a player that has scored 40+ goals twice in two full years with the rangers did not sign with the Kings? I know you guys won a cup and all.. but obviously Gaborik would have improved your team.

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02-25-2013, 01:55 PM
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Gaborik has been one of our best FA signings. Not sure why people are mentioning him.

This is all about Richards and Richards only.


Gaborik's been healthy for us, scored 40+ goals twice in 3 years in a **** system, and scored some of the biggest goals in our history.

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02-25-2013, 01:57 PM
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I can see the Jackets trading for Richards
I can't unless we're sending back Umberger due to salary hits. We're rebuilding, now is not the time to add a highly paid 32 year-old.

Doesn't Richards have a NMC/NTC? If so I think he'll be more than happy to just stay on with the Rangers.

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He's a disappointment thus far this season as are the rest of the Rangers. Let's see if they can put it together. Can't see the Rangers buying him out though.

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02-25-2013, 02:05 PM
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I doubt Rangers will buy him out. If they did who would replace him?
A center depth with Stepan, Boyle, Miller, Halpern would be awful.
Hopefully he can get it together and play like he did in the playoffs last season.

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but obviously Gaborik would have improved your team.
Not in the playoffs, where the Kings excelled.

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02-25-2013, 02:06 PM
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You are happy that a player that has scored 40+ goals twice in two full years with the rangers did not sign with the Kings? I know you guys won a cup and all.. but obviously Gaborik would have improved your team.
Just wait until Marián Gáborík joins a new team. He only just turned 31 and has 7 30G+ seasons under his belt -- he was a 2nd team all star at RW last season for gods sake! In his last 2 healthy seasons with the Rangers (09/10 & 11/12) he has led the Rangers in goals and points during the regular season, in a system that is tailormade for a player that plays the opposite style of game as Gáborík.

New York really pisses me off. They sign every free agent, and then chase them out of town. Brad Richards is a former Conn Smythe winner and he led the Rangers in scoring en route to the ECF last season! He's only on the 2nd year of 9 year contract and really isn't even playing that poorly this season. He may be putting up points at only a ~50pt pace but this is following a giant layoff following a half-season lockout.

Since Richards and Gáborík apparently aren't producing enough I wonder if Boston is considering amnestying Patrice Bergeron/Milan Lucic/Nathan Horton, or LA amnestying Jeff Carter, Dallas amnestying Loui Eriksson, Colorado amnestying Paul Statsny..etc

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Not in the playoffs, where the Kings excelled.
Considering the Kings can barely even make the playoffs, perhaps they could use some of Gáborík's regular season excellence. Furthermore, Gáborík isn't even a poor playoff performer and on Anže Kopitar's wing I have no doubt he would excel.

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Just wait until Marián Gáborík joins a new team. He only just turned 31 and has 7 30G+ seasons under his belt -- he was a 2nd team all star at RW last season for gods sake! In his last 2 healthy seasons with the Rangers (09/10 & 11/12) he has led the Rangers in goals and points during the regular season, in a system that is tailormade for a player that plays the opposite style of game as Gáborík.

New York really pisses me off. They sign every free agent, and then chase them out of town. Brad Richards is a former Conn Smythe winner and he led the Rangers in scoring en route to the ECF last season! He's only on the 2nd year of 9 year contract and really isn't even playing that poorly this season. He may be putting up points at only a ~50pt pace but this is following a giant layoff following a half-season lockout.

Since Richards and Gáborík apparently aren't producing enough I wonder if Boston is considering amnestying Patrice Bergeron/Milan Lucic/Nathan Horton, or LA amnestying Jeff Carter, Dallas amnestying Loui Eriksson, Colorado amnestying Paul Statsny..etc
Oh man, really? Well this just proved that you haven't watched a single Rangers game this year.

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Should have kept Johnny Malkin instead.

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02-25-2013, 02:30 PM
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Oh man, really? Well this just proved that you haven't watched a single Rangers game this year.
Over 17 games this season he must be playing so bad that it's time to buy him out..

Typical NYR thinking.

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Over 17 games this season he must be playing so bad that it's time to buy him out..

Typical NYR thinking.
No. After 17 games this season it's time to consider buying him, since there is a 2 offseason window to do so without incurring a cap penalty. And with 7 more years on a blantant backdiving deal, it's a valid consideration. Also, I don't appreciate the generalization.

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Over 17 games this season he must be playing so bad that it's time to buy him out..

Typical NYR thinking.
Did you see the part where I bolded your absurd statement that he isn't even really playing all that poorly this season? I didn't even mention a buyout, I was just pointing out that you haven't got a clue about how he's playing this season and that it's obvious you haven't actually watched him play.

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Over 17 games this season he must be playing so bad that it's time to buy him out..

Typical NYR thinking.
He's played about 30 solid games since joining the team. He was mediocre for 75% of the season last year, and has been terrible this year as well.

Typical baseless generalizations from the uninformed.

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Richards and Gaborik... the new Gomez and Drury?
When did Gomez or Drury have multiple 40 goal seasons?

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I've never heard of a Ranger free agent signing not meeting expectations of their salary.
Ever heard of Gaborik?

And if the Rangers do buy Richards out, he must have not improved by the buyout period, so I highly doubt another team would claim him.

When exactly during the off-season is the buyout period? The reason I ask is because he's due his signing bonus on August 1st or 2nd, I believe, so if another team claims him, wouldn't they have to pay that? If so, there's a 0% chance anyone claims him.

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Pretty nervous as a Flames fan. Not gonna lie. Visions of a bad deal to acquire Richards dancing in my head.

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He's played about 30 solid games since joining the team. He was mediocre for 75% of the season last year, and has been terrible this year as well.

Typical baseless generalizations from the uninformed.
I know its not the fans who sign FA's but it's the fans who demand they be traded or bought out.

Wade Redden
Scott Gomez
Chris Drury
Donald Brashear
(I'm sure there's more)

now:
Brad Richards
Marián Gáborík

You guys sign these vastly inflated contracts, and then a season or two later cry about how inflated the contracts are. There are teams who could actually use these players for the duration of the contracts, and could have had more fair cap hits at that. But instead we have Glen Sather with the heavy hand, who gives the FA a blank cheque and tells the FA to name a price and contract length and they've got it. It isn't even a recent trend, it's been going on for years with Sather. I still remember the inflated Valeri Kamensky, Darius Kasparaitis contracts and the most idiotic of them all, the Bobby Holik signing.

I've seen maybe 3 Rangers games this season (vs Leafs, vs Was, vs Pit) in conjunction with highlights and stat-watching as well as seeing Brad Richards play at a very high level throughout his career. Furthermore, I was also a Leafs fan who wanted our former-GM Brian Burke to sign Richards when he was a FA because he would have filled our #1 C gap and helped us tremendously on the PP. Instead of opting to match Burke's fair deal of 42M over 6 year contract, Sather decided to stick to circumventing the cap by handing him a 60M over 9 year contract "that pays him $24 million in the first two seasons and $36 million over the remaining seven. The last three years of the contract come with a salary of just $1 million each."

TL;DR: Glen Sather just drives me nuts.

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I still don't know how Sather still has a job, if Richards is bought out, it's another huge signing that went wrong for him. Maybe it's not Richards, I think it's time for a coaching change for the Rangers.

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I still don't know how Sather still has a job, if Richards is bought out, it's another huge signing that went wrong for him. Maybe it's not Richards, I think it's time for a coaching change for the Rangers.
To be fair with the Richards signing, there were at least two other teams that were going to sign him for even more money--but not as front-loaded. Sather was doing his job to get the best player available. It's not like he "overpaid," since the market was giving him that much.

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When exactly during the off-season is the buyout period? The reason I ask is because he's due his signing bonus on August 1st or 2nd, I believe, so if another team claims him, wouldn't they have to pay that? If so, there's a 0% chance anyone claims him.
Assuming no change from the prior CBA, the buy-out period begins no later than June 15 (or 48 hours after the conclusion of the Stanley Cup Finals) and ends June 30 at 5PM NY time. This is for both Ordinary Course Buy-Outs and Compliance Buy-Outs.

There is a second buy-out period that applies only for teams that have salary arbitration cases. They may buy-out a player up to 48 hours after their last salary arbitration award/settlement (shortly after August 6).

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Assuming no change from the prior CBA, the buyout period begins no later than June 15 (or 48 hours after the conclusion of the Stanley Cup Finals) and ends June 30 at 5PM NY time. This is for both Ordinary Course buyouts and Compliance Buyouts.
Which would mean that the team that hypothetically claims Richards would have to pay his $8MM signing bonus, correct?

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When did Gomez or Drury have multiple 40 goal seasons?
How good were Drury & Gomez before joining the Rangers? That's what the poster is probably getting at. They went from effective players to being over paid guys that didn't belong in the NHL anymore.

Richards is approaching that status it appears.

He went from a 75-90pt center to 66pts with the Rangers last year and in an 82 game season, 53pts this year at the pace he's on.

That's a pretty big drop for production and he has much better wingers than he had in Dallas, chemistry does play a big part though, maybe he's just not a good fit but with that contract, good luck moving him now with his age and salary (is this one of the year's he gets 12m or the 9m year?).

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