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03-08-2013, 09:34 AM
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Thrashers, Penguins and S. Crosby

Looking for some input on this topic.
Hypothetical situation:

The league rigs the 2005 NHL entry draft in favor of the Atlanta Thrashers.

Thrashers draft S. Crosby #1 overall.
Penguins draft A. Bourret #16 overall.

Do the Thrashers stay in Atlanta?
Do the Winnipeg Jets exist in 2013?
Do the Pittsburgh Penguins exist in 2013?

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**** it. yes the thrashers stay kovalchuk and crosby is to much for any team, and yes the penguins stay they still got a good team and fanbase. winnipeg will have to wait with quebec city.

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Looking for some input on this topic.
Hypothetical situation:

The league rigs the 2005 NHL entry draft in favor of the Atlanta Thrashers.

Thrashers draft S. Crosby #1 overall.
Penguins draft A. Bourret #16 overall.

Do the Thrashers stay in Atlanta?
Do the Winnipeg Jets exist in 2013?
Do the Pittsburgh Penguins exist in 2013?
I guess if Crosby led them to a Cup, the Thrashers still exist. Or maybe even the finals and consistent playoff appearances. But who knows? Way too many variables.

Penguins still exist because Malkin is Malkin.

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Waddell would have traded Crosby for Zhitnik or something.

You can play the if game, but that one man was responsible for ruining that franchise, and ownership is to blame for not canning him sooner.

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Waddell would have traded Crosby for Zhitnik or something.

You can play the if game, but that one man was responsible for ruining that franchise, and ownership is to blame for not canning him sooner.
Past a certain point, ASG was actively running that team into the ground on purpose. They never wanted them in the first place. The Thrashers would still be in Atlanta if the lease owner of the sole suitable facility wasn't hostile towards the team. The relocation had little to do with personnel, though Crosby would have made a difference.

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03-08-2013, 09:42 AM
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Waddell would have traded Crosby for Zhitnik or something.

You can play the if game, but that one man was responsible for ruining that franchise, and ownership is to blame for not canning him sooner.
At first I laughed, and then I realized that it's 100% true.

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03-08-2013, 09:44 AM
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The Penguins still exist because they got their new arena, which was the issue in the first place. The Igloo was a ****hole and the Pens got zero revenue from it. Crosby certainly helped but the real sticking point was political, nothing else.

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We've seen from past experiences that one player can definitely rejuvenate a franchise if they win consistently. I mean look at Tampa Bay's attendance compared to the Panthers. Star players and a championship victory can create fans anywhere.

If the Thrashers won a cup within the first 3 years of drafting Crosby I think they would've stayed.

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Apathy was never an issue- When the Thrashers were winning /competitive the Bulb was sold out to 90% full.

The Thrashers sent league-wide attendance records their first season.

It was the mismanagement of the team by incompetent owners that facilitate the relocation.

The Hawks have traditionally drawn less than the Thrashers and are drawing less people per game in 2013, than the Thrashers worst seasons attendance wise.

Atlanta is a rich enough city to where all we need is an affluent ownership group to relocate a struggling NHL franchise back to the city.

People want hockey

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The hypotheticals are scary. Good thing they rigged it in our favor

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Apathy was never an issue- When the Thrashers were winning /competitive the Bulb was sold out to 90% full.

The Thrashers sent league-wide attendance records their first season.

It was the mismanagement of the team by incompetent owners that facilitate the relocation.

The Hawks have traditionally drawn less than the Thrashers and are drawing less people per game in 2013, than the Thrashers worst seasons attendance wise.

Atlanta is a rich enough city to where all we need is an affluent ownership group to relocate a struggling NHL franchise back to the city.

People want hockey

What? The hawks are #1 in the league for attendance.. and what records?

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Apathy was never an issue- When the Thrashers were winning /competitive the Bulb was sold out to 90% full.

The Thrashers sent league-wide attendance records their first season.

It was the mismanagement of the team by incompetent owners that facilitate the relocation.

The Hawks have traditionally drawn less than the Thrashers and are drawing less people per game in 2013, than the Thrashers worst seasons attendance wise.

Atlanta is a rich enough city to where all we need is an affluent ownership group to relocate a struggling NHL franchise back to the city.

People want hockey
Does Atlanta get a third kick at the can before some other cities though?

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Having a player like Crosby would be good for attendances and would likely help financially but there's only so much he could bring - depends how bad the financial situation was. Pittsburgh would still exist as we'd have Fleury and Malkin.

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Keep it clean guys. If you don't like the topic, move on to another thread.

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What? The hawks are #1 in the league for attendance.. and what records?
The NBA team. Atlanta Hawks. The Atlanta Spirit Group owns them, and didn't want the Thrashers, though the two came in a pair. So they did everything they could to get rid of the NHL team while keeping the NBA team. The Thrashers leaving had little to do with anything other than terrible (hostile, even) 'ownership.'

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Atlanta would have moved anyway. Ownership didn't want the team.

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Kovy on Crosbys Wing, Mayby even Heatley.....Thrashers would have made it too the finals on offense alone...

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2005-2006 Atlanta Thrashers Offense had this occured (and no Heatley Crash)
Kovy-Crosby-Heatley
kozlov-savard-bondra
Snyder-stefan-petrovicky
Aubin- Holik-Mellanby

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I'm guessing that ASG would have done everything they could to milk revenue out of Crosby, and then sold the team as soon as the dollars leveled off.

It would certainly have been harder to justify the relocation, though, if the fanbase had been energized by a young superstar and newly competitive team.

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03-08-2013, 10:36 AM
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Think Pitt would be fine because of the presence of Malkin. Surely not Stanley cup champions, but Geno has been durable enough since he's come into the league, and would have given the franchise some star power. Add in Letang, maybe a top FA since they'd have a lot more cap space, and it would still be a decent team.

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2005-2006 Atlanta Thrashers Offense had this occured (and no Heatley Crash)
Kovy-Crosby-Heatley
kozlov-savard-bondra
Snyder-stefan-petrovicky
Aubin- Holik-Mellanby
now THAT would have been scary. Add in that pavlevic was already drafted, and no matter what kind of D they iced (but I remember they had youth and promise with Exelby and Coburn on the back end) they would have been competitive.

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Is Patrik Stefan still in the league because of Crosby is the real question..

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03-08-2013, 10:45 AM
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Crosby or not Pittsburgh is a great hockey city and would have survived without him

Atlanta I'm not sure, just don't see it working down there. They had one of the most spectacular players in the league in Kovalchuk and people didn't seem to care

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Pittsburgh was closer to folding than most people realize. If Lemieux hadn't stood up they'd likely be gone. Lucky for the Penguins he did and he commanded a lot of respect among league owners and officials.

If there was ever a time to manipulate the draft, that was it, Crosby was a franchise saving talent.

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Yeah...I don't know about any attendance records...

But it doesn't matter if our team had Crosby, Ovy, Stamkos, Heatley and his car... the owners didn't want it. They were trying to sell the team the day they bought it.

http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/lawsu...o-sell-/nQpwh/

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Yes, Atlanta would still be there. ASG would have flipped the team within two years for a hefty profit, before their idiocy and lawsuits could be brought to full fruition.

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