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Hawks assistant GM Gauthier at Preds/Nucks game | followed Nucks and Preds to DET

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02-25-2013, 06:46 AM
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Hawks assistant GM Gauthier at Preds/Nucks game | followed Nucks and Preds to DET

Pierre Gauthier, the former Habs GM who is now the Chicago Blackhawks' director of player personnel, was in Dallas for the Canucks game Thursday. He watched the Vancouver-Nashville game on Friday night in Nashville. And he was on a plane for Detroit, where the Predators and the Canucks played last week.

Tough to see the Hawks dealing within their Division. But, even tougher to see them deal with Vancouver.

Speculate away.


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3. The most interesting appearance in Nashville, aside from Dale Weise the goal scorer, was probably Pierre Gauthier.
Thatís because he was also in Dallas for the Canucks game Thursday. And he was on a plane today for Detroit, where the Predators play tonight and the Canucks tomorrow.
The former Habs GM, is now in the Chicago Blackhawks front office, and is their director of player personnel.
Hmmmm. Speculate at will.
http://blogs.theprovince.com/2013/02...owing-canucks/


I don't think the director of player personnel scouts other teams how they are playing right now...

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Looking at their cap for next year - they CANNOT get a player on more than a 1 year deal

Next year their cap situation is under control, but only if they dont add anyone else

Chicago's needs are definetly for a C (#2 or #3), anything else would be cheap depth (as they appear set on D and Ws)


So out of Peds, Nucks, Det, Dallas - the following may be available:

Jgar, Morrow, Roy, Ryder, Lapierre, Raymond

Noone really meets Chicago's needs other than Roy



So I dont see much there

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Most "director of player personnel" are actually scout not just their NHL/AHL teams but also other teams, so its not really a surprise.

But most teams have meetings with their scouts every 20 games to rank other teams NHL/AHL squad, so maybe getting some extra looks at a certain team.

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Pierre Gauthier, the former Habs GM who is now the Chicago Blackhawks' director of player personnel, was in Dallas for the Canucks game Thursday. He watched the Vancouver-Nashville game on Friday night in Nashville. And he was on a plane for Detroit, where the Predators and the Canucks played last week.

Tough to see the Hawks dealing within their Division. But, even tougher to see them deal with Vancouver.

Speculate away.




http://blogs.theprovince.com/2013/02...owing-canucks/


I don't think the director of player personnel scouts other teams how they are playing right now...
tell you one thing... if Gauthier is doing pro scouting for the Hawks, I'd be VERY afraid as a hawks fan.

this is the man whose input led to the Gomez trade (not too mention other gems like Kaberle deal, or the trading away of young players like Lapierre, S.Kost, D'agostini for essentially nothing).

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tell you one thing... if Gauthier is doing pro scouting for the Hawks, I'd be VERY afraid as a hawks fan.

this is the man whose input led to the Gomez trade (not too mention other gems like Kaberle deal, or the trading away of young players like Lapierre, S.Kost, D'agostini for essentially nothing).
So if were blaming him for stuff Gainey did as GM, because he was an ast GM, I guess he gets credit for turning Rivet into Gorges and a 1st (Pacioretty).

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Why would the Hawks be looking to make moves now? If it aint broke...

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Can anyone see the Hawks and Nucks or the Hawks and Preds dealing with each other any time soon? These teams are all contenders in the West, no way would any one of them risk helping a potential playoff opponent.

More likely, he had a chance to see three of the Hawks potential playoff competitors play twice each in a short period of time.

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So if were blaming him for stuff Gainey did as GM, because he was an ast GM, I guess he gets credit for turning Rivet into Gorges and a 1st (Pacioretty).


"Director of Pro Scouting" but no, no input in bringing Gomez to the team?

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Why would the Hawks be looking to make moves now? If it aint broke...
Good to see you've come around

But seriously, I'd be disappointed if we're looking to change the roster around at this point. I can see wanting to add at the deadline, but no need to change anything about a team that's 15-0-3

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"Director of Pro Scouting" but no, no input in bringing Gomez to the team?
In put doesn't mean something positive, many GM make decisions while not agreeing with their ast GM. Gomez is not someone that a GM won't know about himself and need to ask for more input about. Unless any proof is shown, the Gomez deal is on Gainey. Some ppl, not you, just generally speaking, want to blame Gauthier for Gainey mistake.

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More likely, he had a chance to see three of the Hawks potential playoff competitors play twice each in a short period of time.
Bam.

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In put doesn't mean something positive, many GM make decisions while not agreeing with their ast GM. Gomez is not someone that a GM won't know about himself and need to ask for more input about. Unless any proof is shown, the Gomez deal is on Gainey. Some ppl, not you, just generally speaking, want to blame Gauthier for Gainey mistake.
By the time the Gomez deal happened, Gainey had started to delegate many of his responsibilities to Gsuthier, his hand picked successor. Hate to say it, but Gainey was never the same after the death of his daughter.

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By the time the Gomez deal happened, Gainey had started to delegate many of his responsibilities to Gsuthier, his hand picked successor. Hate to say it, but Gainey was never the same after the death of his daughter.
I knew this excuse would be brought up. Do you have any proof of Gainey delegation his responsibilities to Gauthier?

Gainey was well enough to not only be GM of the Habs in 09-10, but he also decided that he could coach, he fired Carbo and took over as coach.

I mean its tough to believe that a guy who was delegating many of his responsibilities, would decide to take on even more.

Gauthier is not a good GM, manly because he has a bad leader, and not a ppl person, also too much by the book. But some fans make him sound a lot worse than he is.

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Why would the Hawks be looking to make moves now? If it aint broke...


They still have very little depth at C
Bolland is out with an UPI , kruger goes up to the 2nd C and Mayers is your 4th C

Sure, healthy they look great: Toews, Bolland, Shaw, Kruger

But 1 injury and they can't replace the depth at C
They also don't have many Cs in the AHL either

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Don't mind Habs fans exaggerations. Aside from the Kaberle deal there hasn't been a deal that Gauthier made while GM that handcuffed the team. A lot of the team's rentals were very very successful: Wisniewski and Dominic Moore. He had the foresight to pick up Wisniewski early on in the season instead of waiting at the deadline where he would have cost a premium. Other moves that are working out for him now: Bourque, who seems to be playing some of his best hockey and Cole, who despite his slow start has looked good. He was the team's leading scorer last year, but of course the Habs finished 1st place, so doesn;t matter much. Raphael Diaz is another, though I am sure he was acquired upon the recommendation of a scout. Finally there is Lars Eller who is showing and always has shown good potential.

I wouldn't worry much, most of Gauthier's "bad" moves came when the team was struggling to make the playoffs. Gauthier panicked in order to try to get his team back in. Until then he was doing a good job. For as bad as Gauthier and Gainey were, the team that is composed largely of their pickups is doing quite well right now.


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They still have very little depth at C
Bolland is out with an UPI , kruger goes up to the 2nd C and Mayers is your 4th C

Sure, healthy they look great: Toews, Bolland, Shaw, Kruger

But 1 injury and they can't replace the depth at C
They also don't have many Cs in the AHL either
Even when Bolland is healthy, Hawks could use a Real #2C...Kruger is not the answer.

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Even when Bolland is healthy, Hawks could use a Real #2C...Kruger is not the answer.
Filppula is your guy...and he's a UFA next year, so no worries about havin him on the books for next year.

Edit: Also, if the Hawks need a line shake-up, and slot Sharp as the center, Filppula can also play both wings.

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Filppula is your guy...and he's a UFA next year, so no worries about havin him on the books for next year.

Edit: Also, if the Hawks need a line shake-up, and slot Sharp as the center, Filppula can also play both wings.
One of the great mysteries around here...Sharp was #2C the Cup year, and now they don't play him there?....He must have compromising pics of Q or McDonough..

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One of the great mysteries around here...Sharp was #2C the Cup year, and now they don't play him there?....He must have compromising pics of Q or McDonough..
Never understood it either. Actually I think it solves the #2 center problem.

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Never understood it either. Actually I think it solves the #2 center problem.
Sharp is lost defensively at center.

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This news is 2 days old and it's also what scouts do. Nothing at all to this IMO.

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This is easily advance scouting of some sort. There is now way in hell the Hawks deal with Vancouver and Nashville.

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The Hawks are obviously looking for players who play well against the Canucks.

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So if were blaming him for stuff Gainey did as GM, because he was an ast GM, I guess he gets credit for turning Rivet into Gorges and a 1st (Pacioretty).
Oh please...If we're going to give credit to someone for that trade no way it's Gauthier. All Gauthier might have done was suggest to get Gorges added in the deal since he's the only player that relates to Gauthier's function as an assistant GM. The Sharks didn't call Gauthier to see if Rivet was available, they called Gainey. Plus it wasn't Gauthier who negociated with the Sharks to get that deal, it was Gainey. Final thing, it's not Gauthier that scouted Pacioretty, it's our head scout Trevor Timmins.

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How many times this season have we seen so and so from blank team is scouting so and so's game and it all turned into nothing?

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