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03-07-2013, 09:04 PM
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Heatley's about as good as Clowe is right now
Stats say otherwise.

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Honestly, I spend a lot of time reading the Wild boards and they are pretty down on Heatley and Seto as well. Seto has been heating up lately and has 5 goals on the year, but even then, Seto is one of their whipping boys.

I thought having Mitchell with him would rejuvenate him, but I guess its taking some time for that to happen. Their fans are experiencing the same frustrations with Heatley that we did after a great 1st year after the trade. Slow and lazy.

I think we did better on the Havlat deal just strictly because of the cap savings. Jury is still out on the Burns deal because it really depends on how Coyle and Philips (?) do. I would be willing to bring Seto back. I think he'd come back with a lot of fire.
Seto's problem is that his heart is in SJ and nowhere else.

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Stats say otherwise.
Which ones?

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There is no question that Heatley is a warrior. But I have to say, if I had a choice between Havlat and Heatley's injuries, I'd still choose Havlat. Havlat was super injured in the regular season, but after he got healthy, he was great in the playoffs. Every year for Heatley, it was a bunch of minor injuries in the regular season that weren't enough to keep him out of the line-up, and come the post-season, those injuries would add-up and he'd be super, super injured.
No he wasn't that one GWG he had was the only thing he did in the 5 games.

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Which ones?
Goals, Pts. You know, the ones that matter. Not PIM and turnovers.

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Goals, Pts. You know, the ones that matter. Not PIM and turnovers.
Every single Heatley goal is a product of Parise and Koivu. Stop talking **** and watch the Wild before you whine about wanting Heatley back. He blows. He can't skate. He constantly turns the puck over. He doesn't have the fitness to be a 3-zone player. His shot's declining. Literally, he's not a top-6 player anymore. Stop *****ing about the Heatley trade. I was as big a Heatley fan as there was on here, but we killed Minnesota in that trade.

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Every single Heatley goal is a product of Parise and Koivu. Stop talking **** and watch the Wild before you whine about wanting Heatley back. He blows. He can't skate. He constantly turns the puck over. He doesn't have the fitness to be a 3-zone player. His shot's declining. Literally, he's not a top-6 player anymore. Stop *****ing about the Heatley trade. I was as big a Heatley fan as there was on here, but we killed Minnesota in that trade.
Yes, and all those apply to Clowe as well, except for the fact that he has no goals unlike Heatley. So no, Heatley is not as useless or "good" as Clowe.

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Every single Heatley goal is a product of Parise and Koivu. Stop talking **** and watch the Wild before you whine about wanting Heatley back. He blows. He can't skate. He constantly turns the puck over. He doesn't have the fitness to be a 3-zone player. His shot's declining. Literally, he's not a top-6 player anymore. Stop *****ing about the Heatley trade. I was as big a Heatley fan as there was on here, but we killed Minnesota in that trade.
Do you watch Havlat play?

He's afraid of contact so he loses the puck, turns it over, or fumbles it to the other team.

He never uses his speed if he even has it anymore.

Can't shoot for ****.

Dangles around and passes it to no one or loses it.

He can't check or get in on the fore check.

He is hurt more than he's healthy.

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CORSI, bro... CORSI!!!!

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No he wasn't that one GWG he had was the only thing he did in the 5 games.
Havlat, Thornton, and Couture were our 3 best forwards that series.

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Havlat, Thornton, and Couture were our 3 best forwards that series.

Who cares St.Louis destroyed the Sharks.

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I'm still not ready to call the Havlat trade a loss. He still has a few years on his contract to make an impact. Last year, he was great in every single game he played. He is so dynamic because the Sharks have no one who plays like he does. I truly believe a coaching change will help him use his unique mix of speed, hands, playmaking, and general good hockey sense to his full ability.

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The trade was great. Havlat just hasn't been living up to his name yet.

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Havlat, Thornton, and Couture were our 3 best forwards that series.
Some contest

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I'm still not ready to call the Havlat trade a loss. He still has a few years on his contract to make an impact. Last year, he was great in every single game he played. He is so dynamic because the Sharks have no one who plays like he does. I truly believe a coaching change will help him use his unique mix of speed, hands, playmaking, and general good hockey sense to his full ability.
Yes, I agree with this. Playing to his expectations, Havlat is exactly what you want. He can beat you in so many ways, that it is very difficult to shut him down.

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03-08-2013, 12:42 AM
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Yes, I agree with this. Playing to his expectations, Havlat is exactly what you want. He can beat you in so many ways, that it is very difficult to shut him down.
... yet he manages to get shut down in so many different ways?

From a trade standpoint I do the Havlat for Heatley trade every time. I'm not arguing that. Still, Havlat has been a major disappointment. The eye test does NOT show me the speed I was expecting, it does not show the shot I was hoping he would have, it does not show the ability to forecheck or hit, it does not give me that much confidence in his compete factor.

The guy just doesn't gel well with the team it seems. He's been a major disappointment to me.

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03-08-2013, 12:47 AM
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The trade was great. Havlat just hasn't been living up to his name yet.
The trade was great in theory. I understand it gives more cap flexibility and a greater or equal production value. But the Sharks aren't spending to the cap limit. Close, but they didn't last year and they aren't this year. So we've all been kinda waiting to see when the benefits are reaped. So far, it's been a straight up loss.

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Stats say otherwise.
Stats say Thornton>Marleau this year.

EDIT: I feel like you guys forget how ****ing awful Dany Heatley was. Seriously, again, I liked his character, it was never about a lack of effort, it was never about him being lazy, he was always a team player, and always a hard worker, but he just ****ing sucked. His injuries were awful and so was his skating, he won't be NHL caliber for a few years.

We won the Minnesota trades.


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Stats say Thornton>Marleau this year.
Which has been true every year since they were drafted.

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Stats say Thornton>Marleau this year.

EDIT: I feel like you guys forget how ****ing awful Dany Heatley was. Seriously, again, I liked his character, it was never about a lack of effort, it was never about him being lazy, he was always a team player, and always a hard worker, but he just ****ing sucked. His injuries were awful and so was his skating, he won't be NHL caliber for a few years.

We won the Minnesota trades.
I was comparing Heatley with Clowe, not Havlat. Clowe has been worthless off the puck just like Heatley generally is, but Heater has goals, Clowe has none.

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Stats say Thornton>Marleau this year.

EDIT: I feel like you guys forget how ****ing awful Dany Heatley was. Seriously, again, I liked his character, it was never about a lack of effort, it was never about him being lazy, he was always a team player, and always a hard worker, but he just ****ing sucked. His injuries were awful and so was his skating, he won't be NHL caliber for a few years.

We won the Minnesota trades.
What?

He still can score 25 goals a year and add 50 pts. Is his cap hit bad? Yeah, but so is Burish Handzus Clowe and Vlasic so cap space isn't the issue some think.

Setoguchi had similar numbers last year that he did while in SJ.

Havlat should play Sarcastaball.

Burns is good but his injuries are taking a toll

The two prospects really hurt since we're going no where and need young talent but Whatever Doug thinks he's Ken Holland so what are you going to do.

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We definitely bought high on Brent Burns. Seto + Coyle + 1st was a steep price to pay. Burns is great, but a top 9 of

Couture - Thornton - Seto
Marleau - Pavelski - Havlat
Clowe - Coyle - Sheppard

Would be pretty sweet.

But we'll see, sucks that Burns is injured. He actually kind of has an injury history, so this might not pan out like we hoped.

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Burns' injury history prior to the San Jose trade is completely unrelated to every injury he has had in San Jose.

I think that if he just doesn't play another game this season, he will be fine long term.

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I was comparing Heatley with Clowe, not Havlat. Clowe has been worthless off the puck just like Heatley generally is, but Heater has goals, Clowe has none.
Sorry, I was in a hurry while posting so that's why I might have been confused, but Heatley sucks. He won't be in the NHL much longer.

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Which has been true every year since they were drafted.
No, not for a while actually.

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Burns' injury history prior to the San Jose trade is completely unrelated to every injury he has had in San Jose.

I think that if he just doesn't play another game this season, he will be fine long term.
How so? Wouldn't he just injure something that hasn't been injured before?

I'm being sarcastic, but that's his record so far right?

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