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03-19-2013, 12:55 AM
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03-19-2013, 12:58 AM
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You do realize that that pick in the 1998 entry draft turned into Stuart and Cheechoo? Who would want Lecavalier now? In any case, the Sharks traded the first overall away for the third overall...no big deal...
If we had Lecavalier in 03-04, we win the Cup, I think.

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03-19-2013, 01:00 AM
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That might be one of the worst trade's in Sharks history, good lord.

1. Thornton
2. Boyle for Carle+Wishart
3. Toskala+Bell for Couture
4. Ozolinsch for Nolan
5. Damphousse for 2nd+5th
Again, it depends on how you would do it. Personally, I would never use the player the pick turned into as part of the trade.

Toskala and Bell were traded away for the 13th overall draft pick, a 2nd, and a 4th-round-pick.

Damphousse was acquired for a 1st + 5th since he re-signed.

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03-19-2013, 01:03 AM
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If we had Lecavalier in 03-04, we win the Cup, I think.
The Sharks would have traded down.

Remember, Brad Stuart was Lombardi's guy that year. They already had Marleau pegged as the future #1 center with Sturm backing him up. Kiprusoff even at that point was the GOTF. Jeff Friesen was dominating on the wing...the key missing piece was that #1 d-man.

Lombardi convinced the Predators that the team was going for Legwand. Nashville panicked, and the Sharks got Cheechoo out of that...

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03-19-2013, 12:02 PM
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sadly this is true, that they were not interested in the two power center system at that time. The draft was the top 2 centers, then the top 2 Dmen. Even if he couldn't have traded down he was going to take Stuart or Allen at his slot.

Looking back at all the history of trades, we could have drafted pronger too.... ugh.

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03-19-2013, 01:49 PM
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sadly this is true, that they were not interested in the two power center system at that time. The draft was the top 2 centers, then the top 2 Dmen. Even if he couldn't have traded down he was going to take Stuart or Allen at his slot.

Looking back at all the history of trades, we could have drafted pronger too.... ugh.
Going down the road of who we could have drafted...

Pat Falloon over Scott Niedermayer because they wanted Falloon and Whitney thinking their Chemistry would translate from Juniors to the NHL.

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03-19-2013, 06:52 PM
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Going down the road of who we could have drafted...

Pat Falloon over Scott Niedermayer because they wanted Falloon and Whitney thinking their Chemistry would translate from Juniors to the NHL.
The Sharks wanted Ray Whitney because they thought he would mesh with Falloon. They were picking Falloon.


After Falloon's rookie season, that was looking like a great pick. Can you imagine if fatty had turned into the superstar he looked like? If he had had the work ethic?

I'd probably still take Scott Niedermayer, but Falloon's potential would be a guy like St.Louis or Kariya today...

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03-20-2013, 01:57 PM
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Do you think Montreal would trade Pacioretty for Vlasic? And yes, I'm hoping they'll overrate Vlasic because he's French-Canadian.

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Do you think Montreal would trade Pacioretty for Vlasic? And yes, I'm hoping they'll overrate Vlasic because he's French-Canadian.
No way in hell.

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03-20-2013, 02:11 PM
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No way in hell.
I just thought of it right now. Vlasic is 25, Pacioretty is 24 and they have nearly identical cap hits long term. I'd love to pull off a trade like that if we're moving Vlasic.

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03-20-2013, 02:14 PM
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I just thought of it right now. Vlasic is 25, Pacioretty is 24 and they have nearly identical cap hits long term. I'd love to pull off a trade like that if we're moving Vlasic.
Of course. I'd add significantly to Vlasic to get Patches, he's such a good player on such a great contract. He's also a little *****, but not to the extent that I wouldn't be able to overlook it if he became a Shark.

But the Habs have Gorges, who's basically Vlasic-lite, and they kinda need Paccioretty. No way he moves.

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03-20-2013, 02:27 PM
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no way the habs move one of there top scorers for a defensemen. if any thing for the pac trade it would be pavs for pac. or couture for pac.

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03-20-2013, 02:56 PM
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http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/kevin...-anywhere-else

This makes me upset (re: Boyle not wanting to be traded).

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03-20-2013, 03:01 PM
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This makes me upset (re: Boyle not wanting to be traded).
like mclellan's qoute, just go out there and be the best and chances are you will not be talked about in trades.

it is not a shock that boyle, murray, clowe, and even havlat are being talked about in trades they all for the most part have underachieved. demers name in that article even makes sense to, he is a steady young puck moving defensmen who has loads of potential.

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03-20-2013, 03:05 PM
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This makes me upset (re: Boyle not wanting to be traded).
I'm confused. Are you upset that there are Boyle rumors (thus making Boyle sad and worried), or are you upset that Boyle doesn't want to be traded?
I agree with the former, I don't get the latter.

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How can you say Boyle's underachieved? He's turned Matty Irwin into effectively a #2 defenseman when they're playing together. His even strength production is a product of low on-ice shooting, and you can hardly blame the PP woes on Boyle.

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I'm confused. Are you upset that there are Boyle rumors (thus making Boyle sad and worried), or are you upset that Boyle doesn't want to be traded?
I agree with the former, I don't get the latter.
It makes me sad that Boyle is upset. No matter how many trade proposals I throw him into, he'll still be one of my all-time favorite Sharks.

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03-20-2013, 03:10 PM
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It makes me sad that Boyle is upset. No matter how many trade proposals I throw him into, he'll still be one of my all-time favorite Sharks.
Yup. Business is business, but you don't have to like it.

Boyle is absolutely awesome. If he's not one of your favorite Sharks of all time there is something wrong with you.

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It makes me sad that Boyle is upset. No matter how many trade proposals I throw him into, he'll still be one of my all-time favorite Sharks.
Oh, yeah then I agree 100%.

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Boyle is absolutely awesome. If he's not one of your favorite Sharks of all time there is something wrong with you.
Eh, depends on how big your list is. I don't think I'd put him in my Top-5.

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Going down the road of who we could have drafted...

Pat Falloon over Scott Niedermayer because they wanted Falloon and Whitney thinking their Chemistry would translate from Juniors to the NHL.
I think the took Falloon because they didn't think that a defenseman would bring the fans. That's something I heard early on.

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The guy with the determination to succeed every night, and who has voiced several times over the years how much he wants to stay here is not the guy who should be looked at for a trade. Re-sign boyle regardless of whether or not you're going into rebuild, with how adamant he is about staying he'll take a discount I'm sure.

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Boyle is absolutely awesome. If he's not one of your favorite Sharks of all time there is something wrong with you.
This.

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Boyle is absolutely awesome. If he's not one of your favorite Sharks of all time there is something wrong with you.
Yup, the guy is everything you could want in a hockey player. Easily my favorite shark.

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So for those who don't waste their lives (as Jux and I do haha) on the trade board, Blues fans seem reluctantly ok with the following trade:

Pavelski + Vlasic + 2nd

For

Stewart + Schwartz

yes, we are losing a couple of fan favorite players here, but it's a pretty conventional hockey trade that doesn't involve anyone with NMC, and it gives us about $6-$7m in cap space next season as well. Plus we can still trade Clowe and Murray for picks, say a 1st and a 2nd. So it ends up being Pavelski, Vlasic, 2nd for Stewart, Schwartz, 1st, 2nd.

Line up something like:

Marleau - Thornton - Stewart
Schwartz - Couture - Havlat
Gomez - Sheppard - Wingels
Galiardi - Handzus - Burish

Irwin - Boyle
Stuart - Burns
Braun - Demers

Plus we can keep both Braun and Demers this way. We go from a very slow team to a very fast team as well. Our slowest players (after this season) are Couture and Stuart.

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03-20-2013, 04:41 PM
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I didn't want to bash Stewart on the main boards after the Blues fans were so nice to us, but he's a terrible possession player and is riding SKY-HIGH percentages. 24% shooting, 16.55% on-ice shooting at evens. Hopefully he keeps it up long enough for the Blues to give him a long, expensive contract. But I want no part of buying high on him. That's a terribad deal for the Sharks.

Pavelski>>Stewart, Vlasic>>Schwartz, and we're adding the 2nd? No thanks.

Besides, Schwartz is not a good skater, and Stewart isn't a great skater, so it's not like we're getting faster.

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It makes me sad that Boyle is upset. No matter how many trade proposals I throw him into, he'll still be one of my all-time favorite Sharks.
Doug is no fool, I don't think he wants to deal Boyle per say. However, if someone blows him away with an offer, using NYR as an example, Hagelin, Kreider, and a 1st, then DW would be stupid not to at least consider it. I don't want Boyle dealt either, but if he somehow becomes the best name on the trade market and teams are lining up with ridiculous offers, maybe you take one.

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