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Pavel Datysuk: over-rated or under-rated?

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over-rates Pavel Datysuk 142 45.81%
under-rates Pavel Datsyuk 62 20.00%
is accurate in their views on Pavel Datsyuk 106 34.19%
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02-25-2013, 09:05 PM
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Pavel Datysuk: over-rated or under-rated?

Pretty simple question, do you think HF over-rates Datsyuk's game or under-rates it? I only ask this because I find it interesting how most people seem to strongly believe it's one or the other, which is kind of odd.

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Underrated

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Underrated

He has just as much skill as Crosby but gets little credit for it.

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02-25-2013, 09:29 PM
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Underrated

He has just as much skill as Crosby but gets little credit for it.
This. There's nothing he can't do but people get caught up in numbers too easily.

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02-25-2013, 09:32 PM
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I'd say overrated. Sure he's a fantastic player, prob top 10-15 easily, but he's just not really on the level of Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos, 05-10 Ovechkin, etc.

he's never lead the league in goals, points, never won MVP or Conn Smythe, etc.

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02-25-2013, 09:33 PM
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WTF how is Pavel Datysuk underrated , its consensus that the NHL thinks he has has the best skills (dekes), defensive game and is the most entertaining to watch. Probably the most respected player in the league. If anything he is not underrated.

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02-25-2013, 09:44 PM
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Underrated

He has just as much skill as Crosby but gets little credit for it.
he is more skilled than crosby. Crosby is the better player but less skilled

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02-25-2013, 09:46 PM
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Datsyuk seems to be a player that HF posters either love or hate.

All players are going to be underrated and overrated by some people. That's just the way it is and will always be. Since Datsyuk's a popular player though, it's real easy to either love or hate him.

Those that love him are in awe of his skill, creativity, and overall game. There's very little that he can't do at an elite level. NHL players seem to love him since he always gets rated very highly in player polls (CBC) and interviews. He'll, even Chara selected him 1st overall during last year's All-Star draft.

Those that hate him hate that he gets so much attention. They hear people constantly gush about his game, look at his stat sheet and can't understand it. I've especially noticed that a lot of Crosby fans in particular hate Datsyuk.

Personally, I rate Datsyuk as a Top 5 player today. He's the best 2-way player of his era and just does so many things that contribute to winning hockey. And on top of it, he does it in an exciting, entertaining way. He's a special player, but as the saying goes, haters gonna hate.

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I think he's just overrated by a select few, although they are an annoying minority. I think most would agree he's in the Toews/Kovalchuk tier, only behind the few best players in the World.

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Underrated

He has just as much skill as Crosby but gets little credit for it.
He has better hands and that's about it.

Crosby is a stronger skater, has better vision, better playmaking abilities, and a better goalscoring touch.

He's one of the most overrated player on HFBoards, along with Toews (current) and Peter Forsberg (past).

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Accurate. Sometimes he's the best player in the world and sometimes he leaves you wanting more. That's not to say that he's inconsistent, because he's almost always good. However, he doesn't always dominate even though he can.

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I think for the most part he's accurately valued, there are some who criminally under-rate him and those who severely over-rate him but that is true of HF's opinion of every star player.

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Thats why Datsyuk is overated.
I think that's actually why Crosby is overrated. The guys at the top end are closer in skill than most people seem to believe. At that level, little things set you apart like consistency, good habits, and a bit better hockey sense.

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He has better hands and that's about it.

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I was referring strictly to the offensive toolbox. Defensively, yes, Datsyuk is obviously superior.

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Thats why Datsyuk is overated.
Try watching.

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Try watching.
You're talking about Datsyuk being more skilled than a guy who has broken 100 points 4 times, reached 120 points, 50 goals, 32 in 41 games (32 is Datsyuk's career high in goals) and has either broken or been on pace to break 100 points every season in his career. You're not going to argue that away with Selkes, dangling, and "try watching how good he is".

I'm a Habs fan. Imagine if I told you Plekanec was just as skilled as Datsyuk.

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He has better hands and that's about it.

Crosby is a stronger skater, has better vision, better playmaking abilities, and a better goalscoring touch.

He's one of the most overrated player on HFBoards, along with Toews (current) and Peter Forsberg (past).
Woe there bud.








There are hundreds of these from datsyuk throughout his career... No way Crosby has better vision or passing skills.

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You're talking about Datsyuk being more skilled than a guy who has broken 100 points 4 times, reached 120 points, 50 goals, 32 in 41 games (32 is Datsyuk's career high in goals) and has either broken or been on pace to break 100 points every season in his career. You're not going to argue that away with Selkes, dangling, and "try watching how good he is".

I'm a Habs fan. Imagine if I told you Plekanec was just as skilled as Datsyuk.
You do realize offense is half the game, right...

Just figured I'd check, considering that's all you seem to want to talk about...

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Defensive forwards are criminally overrated by HF Boards. Datsyuk is top five but his defensive play is overrated and his vision and play making are underrated.

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You do realize offense is half the game, right...

Just figured I'd check, considering that's all you seem to want to talk about...
Yeah, sorry, I associate goal scoring and having the fourth highest PPG in NHL history with skill.

You do realize that scoring more goals than the opposition is the object of the game right? I know you're going to say defense wins championships but you can't argue away 1.4PPG vs. .98PPG with defensive play. It's just not reasonable.

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lol. let me know when Datsyuk hits 80+assists in a season, or even 70 assists..
Let me know when Crosby is named the best defensive forward during one of his 100 point seasons.

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Defensive forwards are criminally overrated by HF Boards. Datsyuk is top five but his defensive play is overrated and his vision and play making are underrated.
I disagree. His defensive play is correctly valued.

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Yeah, sorry, I associate goal scoring and having the fourth highest PPG in NHL history with skill.

You do realize that scoring more goals than the opposition is the object of the game right? I know you're going to say defense wins championships but you can't argue away 1.4PPG vs. .98PPG with defensive play. It's just not reasonable.
I remember when I tried to use a guys PPG rate in history when he hasn't been through his declining years.

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Let me know when Datsyuk sniffs an Art Ross or Richard.
Datsyuk's gotten a nomination for Hart. Let me know when Crosby gets his nomination for Selke.

You seem to have an incredibly hard time grasping the point here. Crosby's better offensively. Nobody's denying that.

The point, quite clearly, is that the difference between Crosby and Datsyuk offensively isn't nearly as big as the difference between Datsyuk and Crosby defensively.

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