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Pavel Datysuk: over-rated or under-rated?

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over-rates Pavel Datysuk 142 45.81%
under-rates Pavel Datsyuk 62 20.00%
is accurate in their views on Pavel Datsyuk 106 34.19%
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02-25-2013, 11:02 PM
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I remember when I tried to use a guys PPG rate in history when he hasn't been through his declining years.
Crosby hasn't even been through the years that were Datsyuk's prime if you want to play that game. Datsyuk peaked in his late 20's with back to back 87 and 97 point seasons. Crosby has broken 100 four times before even reaching the age Datsyuk was with his 87 point seasons.

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The point, quite clearly, is that the difference between Crosby and Datsyuk offensively isn't nearly as big as the difference between Datsyuk and Crosby defensively.
100+ points in a league where 10 guys a year are PPG is pretty significant.


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02-25-2013, 11:04 PM
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Datsyuk is overrated only because there are people that think he is the best player in the league. He is certainly a good player but not as good as some people believe he is.

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02-25-2013, 11:05 PM
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Crosby hasn't even been through the years that were Datsyuk's prime if you want to play that game. Datsyuk peaked in his late 20's with back to back 87 and 97 point seasons. Crosby has broken 100 four times before even reaching the age Datsyuk was with his 87 point seasons.
1. Read. I was talking about the way Crosby was emphasized in bold print as having the 4th highest PPG rate in history when he hasn't gone through his declining years. Chances he finishes 4th? Pretty unlikely.

2. Datsyuk was in his early 30s at the point, and for the love of God get the numbers right. First you called it an 87 and 97 point season, then you called it "87 point seasons". Neither are accurate.

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02-25-2013, 11:06 PM
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02-25-2013, 11:07 PM
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Overrated if I had to pick one. Which is really a shame because he's an incredible talent. The thing is there's alot of people out there who think he's Wayne Gretzky.

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02-25-2013, 11:09 PM
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Crosby is no slouch defensively. Actually one of the better centers at it. Also. .098 ppg vs 1.40 is a BIG difference. 30+ point difference. 30+ points more in a season> Datsyuk defensive edge on Crosby which is not nearly as huge.
How much of a difference do the first few years of third lining it on Detroit make on Pavel's PPG?

Sorry he didn't get drafted to a ****** team like Sidney where he got fast tracked to the first line. If I recall correctly, his rookie year was spent on one of the most stacked lineups ever.

Over the last five or six years? The difference hasn't been that big. Try again.

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02-25-2013, 11:09 PM
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And just as expected, this turned into a Crosby and Datsyuk crap fest.

Now we just need Saku and fly to come enter the thread and it'll become complete.

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02-25-2013, 11:11 PM
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Woe there bud.

There are hundreds of these from datsyuk throughout his career... No way Crosby has better vision or passing skills.
Seriously? This is a shining example of why, on HFBoards, Datsyuk is incredibly overrated. Crosby is, without a doubt, a better playmaker than Datsyuk. And his vision is second to none.

Datsyuk isn't even a top five playmaker in the NHL. Crosby, H. Sedin, Karlsson, Thornton, and Malkin are better.

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02-25-2013, 11:12 PM
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Let me know when Datsyuk sniffs an Art Ross or Richard.
He's come fourth in scoring twice while winning the Selke you trogg.

Not too mention he was a Hart Finalist over Crosby one year.

Let me know when Crsoby wins two Cups.

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02-25-2013, 11:12 PM
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IMO he is still a bit underrated right now. He and Zetterberg are the ONLY reason the DRW are still contending for the playoffs this season. The 12-13 Red Wings, especially on defense, are quite dreadful and on many nights have no business wearing the winged wheel.

On a side note the Wings have pretty much the most number of road games of any time in the league remaining on their schedule - so the playoffs are very much in jeopardy.

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02-25-2013, 11:13 PM
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How can he be underrated considering he's pretty much been one of the games best forwards for what seems to be an eternity and that most people would agree with this statement?

He is amazing and a joy to watch

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02-25-2013, 11:16 PM
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It's not Crosby's fault he was an instant superstar. Crosby was good enough to win the Art Ross as a teenager. Datsyuk was no where near that. Fact.
And Crosby has been no where near an (Almost) 100 point season as the best defensive forward. Datsyuk's done it TWICE. Fact.

See, I can talk in circles too.

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02-25-2013, 11:17 PM
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A lot of people overrate him and a lot of people underrate him. Therefore he is rated just right

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02-25-2013, 11:21 PM
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Crosby has been on pace to outscore Datsyuk by 30+ points in 4 of the last 7 seasons soo. 33 more points in 2007. 39 more point in 2010. 2011 not even close lol. 40+ points pace etc.

"On pace"

That's cute.

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02-25-2013, 11:22 PM
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Datsyuk's gotten a nomination for Hart. Let me know when Crosby gets his nomination for Selke.

You seem to have an incredibly hard time grasping the point here. Crosby's better offensively. Nobody's denying that.

The point, quite clearly, is that the difference between Crosby and Datsyuk offensively isn't nearly as big as the difference between Datsyuk and Crosby defensively.
It's way bigger.

Unless you really believe that Datsyuk can prevent 35 more goals per season than Crosby.

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02-25-2013, 11:22 PM
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Datsyuk seems to be a player that HF posters either love or hate.

All players are going to be underrated and overrated by some people. That's just the way it is and will always be. Since Datsyuk's a popular player though, it's real easy to either love or hate him.

Those that love him are in awe of his skill, creativity, and overall game. There's very little that he can't do at an elite level. NHL players seem to love him since he always gets rated very highly in player polls (CBC) and interviews. He'll, even Chara selected him 1st overall during last year's All-Star draft.

Those that hate him hate that he gets so much attention. They hear people constantly gush about his game, look at his stat sheet and can't understand it. I've especially noticed that a lot of Crosby fans in particular hate Datsyuk.

Personally, I rate Datsyuk as a Top 5 player today. He's the best 2-way player of his era and just does so many things that contribute to winning hockey. And on top of it, he does it in an exciting, entertaining way. He's a special player, but as the saying goes, haters gonna hate.
I totally agree with ya on this. I hate Crosby bc of the attention he gets however he is a fantastic player and give him credit where it's due. Stats due tell a lot. One thing I love about both players is their ability to make others around them better. That is something that I feel is sometimes undervalued.

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02-25-2013, 11:23 PM
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1. Read. I was talking about the way Crosby was emphasized in bold print as having the 4th highest PPG rate in history when he hasn't gone through his declining years. Chances he finishes 4th? Pretty unlikely.

2. Datsyuk was in his early 30s at the point, and for the love of God get the numbers right. First you called it an 87 and 97 point season, then you called it "87 point seasons". Neither are accurate.
1. I don't expect him to be 1.4PPG his entire career, but the point is how much Crosby outscores Datsyuk, and how it is significant. We're at a crossroads where I'm saying Crosby's offensive edge is worth more than Datsyuk's defensive edge. I'm of the opinion that it's more important for your star players to be scoring than killing penalties. If they can do both, great. If not, there's less skilled players who can take on that role.

2. For the love of god I did get the numbers right. He had two 87 point back to back seasons, and then two 97 point back to back seasons. And he was 27-28 in the 87 point years, 29-30 in the 97 point years. Do you think I'm incapable of reading a stat sheet?

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Datsyuk seems to be a player that HF posters either love or hate.

Those that hate him hate that he gets so much attention. They hear people constantly gush about his game, look at his stat sheet and can't understand it. I've especially noticed that a lot of Crosby fans in particular hate Datsyuk.
I don't hate Datsyuk. I love watching him play and he's one of the most exciting and talented players in the game. I get frustrated when people claim he's better than Crosby or that they'd take him over Crosby. It's not about me not being able to understand or appreciate two way play, in Montreal we have our diet version of Datsyuk in Plekanec and I absolutely love and appreciate both his and Datsyuk's game. I just don't agree that he's the best player in the game, and I strongly disagree with the notion that Selke's make him better than Crosby.


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02-25-2013, 11:26 PM
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He's come fourth in scoring twice while winning the Selke you trogg.

Not too mention he was a Hart Finalist over Crosby one year.

Let me know when Crsoby wins two Cups.
Winning the cup on the third/fourth line of a team composed of Yzerman, Federov, Lidstrom, Hasek, Chelios, Shannahan, Hull, Larionov, and Robitaille isn't really a career-defining accomplishment.

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He is a damn good player, sure, but the way people talk about him here, he's insanely overrated by Hfboard faithful. To the point where it's bordering on crazy.

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02-25-2013, 11:28 PM
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He's come fourth in scoring twice while winning the Selke you trogg.

Not too mention he was a Hart Finalist over Crosby one year.

Let me know when Crsoby wins two Cups.
That first Cup of his, how big of a contributor was Datsyuk?



This is like Garon telling his kids "Daddy won a Stanley Cup with the Penguins!"
Kids: "How many wins did you get?"
Garon: "Shut up and look at the ring, look at it, its shiny!"

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This post alone shows how insanely overrated Datsyuk is. Pavel is how old and he's being compared to Crosby? Sid is what, 9yrs younger? When his career is over, we'll tally up all of the awards and see what we get to. But yeah, that 2002 Cup ring, you have to be kidding yourself. 2008, hell yeah that's Pavel being a huge reason they won, 2002, he was along for the ride.

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02-25-2013, 11:28 PM
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Winning the cup on the fourth line of a team composed of Yzerman, Federov, Lidstrom, Hasek, Chelios, Shannahan, Hull, Larionov, and Robitaille isn't really a career-defining accomplishment.
Not like Crosby was at all relevant in the 2009 Finals either, but you don't see us knocking it...

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02-25-2013, 11:33 PM
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31 points in 24 games though....
I'm not sure what part of "2009 Finals" you were incapable of reading.

He had as many points as Justin Abdelkader, accompanied by a -3 rating.

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02-25-2013, 11:35 PM
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Whats cute is 32 goals and 97 points. Crosby remembers breaking those easily as an 18 year old rookie. oh yeah on pace?

Crosby 2006-07- 120 points vs Datsyuk 87 points. 33 point differential...
Crosby 2009-2010- 109 points vs Datsyuks 70 points. 39 point differential
2010-2011 it's not even close. 32 goals in 41 games. Matching datsyuks career high. in only 41 games LMFAO.
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He's really good, but cmon, putting him up against Sid is just asking for trouble.

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People talk about him like he is a deity, how on earth can he be underrated?

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