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02-25-2013, 11:39 PM
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Nugent-Hopkins led the team with 24 minutes of ice time tonight. 24 minutes of well, not accomplishing much.

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02-25-2013, 11:40 PM
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So then fold the team if they aren't able to compete for talent with a so-called level economic playing field.

If they ever want this to turn into anything then they're going to have to overpay to get veterans here. It's just a sad fact. We need them.
The question here is do we go back to whale hunting this off-season?

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Absolutely agreed on both accounts. We don't have the assets to pull of a major trade for a vet though. And this is probably going to get villified as well, but... you don't think we could have Penner from LA for a small box of magic beans?
Sure we did: the number 1 pick last year. We could've used that to pick up a couple of key vets. What do you think this teams more, moving forward, even back at that point? Another young hotshot, or a couple of vets who know what it takes to win and who can chip in offensively to take the pressure off the many young players we already have. It's a no-brainer to me.


Oh well, maybe this year...if we get a new GM.

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Yes.

That's playing desperate defense in OT 4 on 4, you collapse down low, even it means all 4 guys in front of the net.

When the situation down low is critical, at least one forward should abandon the point to help the front of the net.

Even if the point is abandoned, it would force the opponent to make another pass instead of going directly in on goal in close. Even if the opponent's d get a good pass, they have a chance to bobble it or need time to pull off a good shoot. Even if they get a shot off, we may have 2 or 3 bodies in front to block the shot.

And the goalie has a chance to save a shot from further out than from in close, especially the opponent could stand there to shot it 3 times from within 5 feet of the goal like Hossa had the time to do.



Yes. BTW, why Petry went behind the net after Sharp went to the front of the net was beyond comprehension. He basically screwed up big time twice.
HAHAHAHAHA.... wait for it.... HAHAHAHA

So instead of one cluster caused by a wandering dman your happy to create a whole other cluster....

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Nugent-Hopkins led the team with 24 minutes of ice time tonight. 24 minutes of well, not accomplishing much.
24 minutes of turning over pucks in the o-zone. I believe he and Eberle are beginning to rival Hemsky in that regard.

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That's why you trade for them. Just spitballing, but a trade of last years #1 pick for Hartnell and Grossman* would've been a HUGE boost to this team--both now and in the future. We didn't need another 18 year old kid, with all due respect to Yak. Someone like Burke sees this and knows this; someone like Tambo plainly does not.

*(I'm not saying that trade was on the table, but just as an example.)
It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. Burke took a lot of flak for trading all of those picks for NHL players but it looks like it's panning out for the Leafs now.

Remember those debates from two years ago? "Who's doing it (re-building) right? The Oilers or the Leafs?"

Looks like it's the Leafs despite their idiotic ownership group.

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The question here is do we go back to whale hunting this off-season?
You have lost me on your logic....it seems that its either the Oilers way or whale hunting.

Do you seriously not see any other option?

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02-25-2013, 11:43 PM
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That's why you trade for them. Just spitballing, but a trade of last years #1 pick for Hartnell and Grossman* would've been a HUGE boost to this team--both now and in the future. We didn't need another 18 y8ear old kid, with all due respect to Yak. Someone like Burke sees this and knows this; someone like Tambo plainly does not.

*(I'm not saying that trade was on the table, but just as an example.)
We do trades for vets and they come here and play like garbage and have career worst years because theyd rather be where they just were and dont want to live here and get tired of losing on a crap team. Just because we trade for vets doesnt mean theyll play well here.

That why i have so much respect for pronger. Peca sulked and played like garbage while pronger played his bag off every night for this team and willed us into 8th and almost to a stanley cup. But unfortunately most players become Pecas after thet are traded here or signed here.

No more trades for tambo dont want him making the team worse. I just want him gone.


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02-25-2013, 11:44 PM
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Are the people calling for more Yakupov actually watching these games? The guy is an absolute turnover machine at EV. Tons of errant passes, including a spin-o-rama that was 10X as dramatic as the one Gagner is getting flamed for trying tonight.

Yak was also directly responsible for the OT loss against Van.


He's having the usual rookie struggles. Still, no where near to creating enough offence to make up for his mistakes.
I love Yak's skills and passion, but I pray to lord he doesn't turn into a one-dimensional PP specialist. This thoroughbred needs to be groomed very carefully and so far I think Krueger is hadling it fine.

What keeps my hope up are odd occassions when he backchecks like a fiend and breaks up a play. It tells me he's capable of at least not being a constant liability on the ice.

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WTF? Why?
Did you see how Smid played that? What about pylon Petry?

That sums it up. We have no answer for a player like Hossa. None.
Similar to Jagr and Toews. It's because we don't have size or strength in our top-6. Piss-poor puck-protection skill.

As good as Ebs/RNH are in using their slipperiness to protect the puck, when you have a guy as big and skilled as Hossa, it's like taking candy from a baby for them.

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You have lost me on your logic....it seems that its either the Oilers way or whale hunting.

Do you seriously not see any other option?
Well we signed vets (Belanger, Eager, etc) but they suck. So do we keep doing that or do we shoot higher?

Remember, any player we bring in ends up automatically sucking for one reason or another.

The Hawks signed Hossa to take them to the next level. Is it time we do something similar?

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So was the whole team and they kept getting shifts, ebs could not even dump the puck in tonight and caused 3 odd man rushes on 2 consecutive shifts in the 3rd.

Yak is not turning the puck over anymore than the vets, until this team gets there arrogance back they will not win Ralph needs to let the horses run.

Maybe tambelini told Kruger to bench him if he keeps creating offence, don't want to get to close to the playoffs after all.
This makes me so mad. Yak and whitney get made examples of while too many other guys get off scott free. No wonder theres such a crappy vibe around this team.

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They were justing watching the play. Gagner especially should be more aware.
This makes no sense. The defense aren't outmanned whatsoever. If Gagner starts skating over to help, it's a matter of passing it to the slot for a wide open shot for the defenseman. The forwards played it perfectly.

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Well we signed vets (Belanger, Eager, etc) but they suck. So do we keep doing that or do we shoot higher?

Remember, any player we bring in ends up automatically sucking for one reason or another.

The Hawks signed Hossa to take them to the next level. Is it time we do something similar?
9 million dollars. I dont know how much more Oilers can do

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It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. Burke took a lot of flak for trading all of those picks for NHL players but it looks like it's panning out for the Leafs now.

Remember those debates from two years ago? "Who's doing it (re-building) right? The Oilers or the Leafs?"

Looks like it's the Leafs despite their idiotic ownership group.
Thing is, we arguably have a better framework to deal our top picks within than what Burke had. He had no top young players like Hall/RNH/Eberle. And Tambo didn't have to trade any of them to make a key trade for both now and the future--just perhaps last year's 1st pick (and perhaps this years 1st rounder). But no, I guess we need more 18/19 year olds in the lineup, or something. I just don't see the "great plan" at all, if there even is one.

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That's why you trade for them. Just spitballing, but a trade of last years #1 pick for Hartnell and Grossman* would've been a HUGE boost to this team--both now and in the future. We didn't need another 18 year old kid, with all due respect to Yak. Someone like Burke sees this and knows this; someone like Tambo plainly does not.

*(I'm not saying that trade was on the table, but just as an example.)
Ugh, you all are overreacting and not seeing Tambos plan. He already does have the vets he wants in the system, they are just too young right now. Look down the road and forget about today. Think about 2023.

Hall yak eberle Shultz and Gagner will all be kickin around 30 and be the perfect vets.

Our 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016 1st overalls will be mid 20s and in their prime.

Our 2017 - 2023 1sts will be the young up and comers providing energy and promise.

It's a REBUILD. Have some patience!

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This makes no sense. The defense aren't outmanned whatsoever. If Gagner starts skating over to help, it's a matter of passing it to the slot for a wide open shot for the defenseman. The forwards played it perfectly.
Gagner and hemsky have to cover the other guys high. Thats on the D and smid and petry let kane and sharp pull of the same damned move for goals.

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I love Yak's skills and passion, but I pray to lord he doesn't turn into a one-dimensional PP specialist. This thoroughbred needs to be groomed very carefully and so far I think Krueger is hadling it fine.

What keeps my hope up are odd occassions when he backchecks like a fiend and breaks up a play. It tells me he's capable of at least not being a constant liability on the ice.

Very true. He does work his ass off on the backcheck.

I was just pointing out that he is a defensive liability and turnover machine at this point. Hence, why he doesn't get played more, especially late in the 3rd.

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Olczyk is a ******. Someone's going to get hurt if someone ducks like that? What about all the people that get hurt when Carcillo throws out an elbow when he goes for those hits?
Yeah.. i almost swallowed my tongue having to listen to that.

Yak shouldn't duck? Or maybe, just maybe Carcillo should hit a guy who still has the puck, then he wouldn't have TIME to duck and get out of the way.

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We do trades for vets and they come here and play like garbage and have career worst years because theyd rather be where they just were and dont want to live here ans get tired of losing on a crap team. Just because we trade for vets doesnt mean theyll play well here.

That why i have so much respect for pronger. Peca sulked and playwd like garbage while pronger played his bag off every night for this team and willed us into 8th and almost to a stanley cup. But unfortunately most players become Pecas after thet are traded here or signed here.

No more trades for tambo dont want him making the team worse. I just want him gone.
Yes, we did. Remember going to game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals when we acquired Pronger and Roloson? Horrible times...

Yeah, in seriousness, I would agree. I would want Tambo gone, and have a more competent GM doing any future trades.

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It feels like Ebs and Nuge are re-adapting to the NHL because of the lockout. Like they never even had sophomore and rookie seasons. I may be crazy but I just don't know what else it could be.

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team toughness is still a joke but what can you expect from the front office not like they have one of the toughest shut down d in franchise history there or anything to look at and think maybe toughness can help

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Nugent-Hopkins led the team with 24 minutes of ice time tonight. 24 minutes of well, not accomplishing much.
The sad thing is that hes easily our best defensive C right now so wed be getting roasted even worse if he played less. Would be nice for the offense to come though.

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Ugh, you all are overreacting and not seeing Tambos plan. He already does have the vets he wants in the system, they are just too young right now. Look down the road and forget about today. Think about 2023.

Hall yak eberle Shultz and Gagner will all be kickin around 30 and be the perfect vets.

Our 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016 1st overalls will be mid 20s and in their prime.

Our 2017 - 2023 1sts will be the young up and comers providing energy and promise.

It's a REBUILD. Have some patience!
Ah, it's the Islanders model. They're looking to gun for the Cup in about 4 years. I'd say we're about 3 years behind them. So just 7 more years...can't wait.

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we need to start a "FIRE TAMBO!" chant at the next home game. It sucks that it is almost a month away...

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