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02-26-2013, 11:40 PM
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You cannot give him an offer sheet. He's ufa and the Ducks are going to want assets.
I knew that was coming. I was talking strictly from a value point of view.

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02-26-2013, 11:41 PM
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for the love of god please get him in vancouver one way or another

this team sucks ****

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02-26-2013, 11:55 PM
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You cannot give him an offer sheet. He's ufa and the Ducks are going to want assets.
Montreal has a boatload of assets. They're probably one of the few teams who could make a trade for Perry without even touching their roster. That said, if we base a deal around the Hossa/Kovy benchmark.

Lars Eller
Prospect
1st
2nd (Ducks choice)

I could also see Moen or another second being involved if the Ducks were interested.

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Perry
Gallagher - Plekanec - Gionta
Prust - Desharnais - Ryder
Moen* - White - Armstrong

Good lord that is some deadly firepower.

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02-27-2013, 12:07 AM
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Montreal has a boatload of assets. They're probably one of the few teams who could make a trade for Perry without even touching their roster. That said, if we base a deal around the Hossa/Kovy benchmark.

Lars Eller
Prospect
1st
2nd (Ducks choice)

I could also see Moen or another second being involved if the Ducks were interested.

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Perry
Gallagher - Plekanec - Gionta
Prust - Desharnais - Ryder
Moen* - White - Armstrong

Good lord that is some deadly firepower.
I'd prefer to keep Eller but your point stands.

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02-27-2013, 12:31 AM
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If the Ducks do in fact decide to deal him, Minnesota should be very interested. The Wild need a legit sniper on that first line and Perry is exactly that. Depends on what the Ducks demand because after all he IS a UFA after this season so teams won't be willing to part with too much. Depends on how strongly they feel he would resign.

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02-27-2013, 12:32 AM
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There is no chance Perry is going to play in a fishbowl market like MTL

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If the Ducks do in fact decide to deal him, Minnesota should be very interested. The Wild need a legit sniper on that first line and Perry is exactly that. Depends on what the Ducks demand because after all he IS a UFA after this season so teams won't be willing to part with too much. Depends on how strongly they feel he would resign.
All the more reason to keep him. Rather chance losing him, and have a shot at a deep playoff run, then trade him for middling assets that do nothing for us

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02-27-2013, 12:32 AM
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zack kassian, nicklas jensen, conditional first he if signed with the canucks.

Kassian was scoring frequently at the start of the season playing with the sedins, but then he got booted down to the fourth line after a bad game. He would do well with a good playmaker like Getzlaf. Jensen is by far the canucks top prospect, he was third in scoring in the finnish elite league until he was benched after canucks management refused a trade request by his finnish team AIK. AIK sucks and is out of the playoff picture so they wanted to trade jensen for picks.

edit: Actually, now that I think about the whole proposal would have to be conditional on corey perry signing a long term deal with the canucks. This trade would never happen because perry wouldn't sign with the canucks because he's known for hating media and public attention. Another reason this trade couldn't happen is that the canucks don't have the cap space for 7+ mil player.


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02-27-2013, 01:54 AM
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Stewart, Cole, 2nd for a rental Perry
2nd goes to 1st if Blues reach WCF

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02-27-2013, 02:02 AM
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Adam Larsson spends considerable time in the A every now and then. Ryan Callahan spent a game or 2 on the third line with this "AHLer". Does that diminish those 2 players' values?
Not sure which Adam Larsson you're talking about because the Larsson on the Devils has never played a single game in the AHL outside of the lockout.

He's been on the NHL club since day one..

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02-27-2013, 02:03 AM
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Ennis, Stafford, Sekera, Enroth...pick any 3 for Perry

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02-27-2013, 02:04 AM
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I'd love to get Perry to the Rangers. Not sure what it would take, although this season a lot of the more "untouchable" players from the Rangers could possibly be had.

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02-27-2013, 02:06 AM
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zack kassian, nicklas jensen, conditional first he if signed with the canucks.

Kassian was scoring frequently at the start of the season playing with the sedins, but then he got booted down to the fourth line after a bad game. He would do well with a good playmaker like Getzlaf. Jensen is by far the canucks top prospect, he was third in scoring in the finnish elite league until he was benched after canucks management refused a trade request by his finnish team AIK. AIK sucks and is out of the playoff picture so they wanted to trade jensen for picks.
I don't know what Ducks fans think of this, but I think it's a real good offer. Maybe remove the condition on the 1st though or make it 2nd but conditional 1st.


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02-27-2013, 02:55 AM
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I don't know what Ducks fans think of this, but I think it's a real good offer. Maybe remove the condition on the 1st though or make it 2nd but conditional 1st.
It's a really good offer, but I don't see them trading Perry to a team we're going to see a lot of after realignment.

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02-27-2013, 03:11 AM
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If the Ducks are able to fit him and Getz for around 6-6.25M each, would they consider moving Ryan to fit them?

Oilers would gladly throw some depth at them in return:

To ANA
Sam Gagner (point/game, only 23)
MPS (big-bodied LW, 21)
Tyler Pitlick (2nd rounder in 2010, played with Etem)

To EDM
Bobby Ryan

I understand that Ryan's price is high, but if he's available I see the Oilers willing to trade a blossoming Gagner+ to acquire him. His combination of size and skill is much-desired on this team.

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02-27-2013, 03:12 AM
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Anaheim would be stupid to let him go, selanne will retire soon

if he is traded he will get traded for a roster player + mid level-low level prospect+ 3rd+

conditional 1st

Anaheim gets the first round pick if he resigns to the team

his trade value could go up if guys like

Igilna
Alferdson
Jagr
Clowe
Sullivan
Hejduk

are not on the market

im not saying any of these players are as good as Perry

but teams would consider them second options

assuming they are available

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02-27-2013, 03:21 AM
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http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/i...d-bad-ref-luck

Lots of speculation Perry might get dealt if he isn't extended by the deadline, even if the Ducks are in the hunt.

My proposal: a hockey trade that gives the Ducks a player than can play today + future help. No Hossa/Kovalchuk rental-type returns.


Something like Kunitz+Dupres. Or Kreider + 1st. Horton + 1st.


Thoughts?
It's weird but I've had this feeling Perry would be traded to Florida last summer. Feeling still hasn't left me. I know you may say it is just wishful thinking (part of it totally is), but it could work for both teams.

To Florida:

Corey Perry

To Anaheim:

Stephen Weiss
Scottie Upshall
Alex Petrovic
2nd Round Pick

Both Weiss and Perry are UFAs but Weiss can re-sign in Anaheim and give them a solid 2nd line center behind Getzlaf capable of putting up 60 points each year. Upshall is there for offensive depth, and Petrovic has top-4 upside.

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02-27-2013, 03:26 AM
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If Perry agrees to 5 years at $6 mil per and is signed, then Rangers agree to immediate sign and trade:

Marc Staal
Dan Giardi
Derek Stepan
two third round picks

for Perry and 1st
This is 2 steps backward to go 5 steps forward for Rangers

Next year Richards 6.6 mil bought out offsets 6 per to Perry

Rangers use loss of salary on Staal + Girardi + upcoming raise to Stepan for younger players

Also, trade Brian Boyle + Christian Thomas to CBH for Dylan Olsen + Mark McNeil
next year
Gaborik Halpern Perry
Nash Miller Kreider
Hagelin Lindberg Callahan
Powe McNeil Pyatt

McDonagh Stralman
MDZ Olsen
McIlrath Bickel/Eminger

obviously, still a work in progress but hopefully lose Torts and expect some scoring to return. G outstanding need to add to our D and Cs.


For Ducks, it changes the dynamic of team, now much more D oriented. Stepan is nice as something in case Getzlaf walks. Lots of options to stand pat, or trade each for alternate returns...
This has got to be one of the early candidates for "Post of the Year" here on HF.

And honestly I cannot believe these Rangers fans willing to butcher their entire team for another winger.

My god you think stacking your top 6 will lead to wins? Giving up 2 of your top 3 defenceman is so dumb. Probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Thank god none of you are GMs.

EDIT: After further reading through the thread, I realize most Ranger fans have called this guy out. My apologies!

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02-27-2013, 03:43 AM
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If the Ducks are able to fit him and Getz for around 6-6.25M each, would they consider moving Ryan to fit them?

Oilers would gladly throw some depth at them in return:

To ANA
Sam Gagner (point/game, only 23)
MPS (big-bodied LW, 21)
Tyler Pitlick (2nd rounder in 2010, played with Etem)

To EDM
Bobby Ryan

I understand that Ryan's price is high, but if he's available I see the Oilers willing to trade a blossoming Gagner+ to acquire him. His combination of size and skill is much-desired on this team.
pointless to trade Ryan for Gagner

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02-27-2013, 03:48 AM
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the same Atlanta got for Hossa and Kovalchuk

why should Anaheim expect more

Perry isn't better than those players were at the time

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After seeing Gomez and Cole go I could see Bergevin with his cap space making a push for Perry in the off season

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Ennis, Stafford, Sekera, Enroth...pick any 3 for Perry
They may consider Sekera or even Enroth is they were to trade Hiller


Sekera, top prospect, #1 for an contract extended Ryan

I'd even consider Sekera, Pominville, and pick/prospect for him if he signed a deal

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The trouble is, just having a winning record doesn't mean that we have a real shot at winning today. We have a lot of young talent with this team, and it remains to be seen if they can find the consistency to push for a cup. We're seeing nightly roster upheaval on our end, and if that's still the case around the deadline, I think that has to weigh into the decision.
That is the dilemma for sure.

Not knowing if what you are seeing is what can take you far in the PO's.

However, if you guys are still playing this well on 04/02/13, then the Ducks are going to have a very tough decision regarding Perry.

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This has got to be one of the early candidates for "Post of the Year" here on HF.

And honestly I cannot believe these Rangers fans willing to butcher their entire team for another winger.


My god you think stacking your top 6 will lead to wins? Giving up 2 of your top 3 defenceman is so dumb. Probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Thank god none of you are GMs.

EDIT: After further reading through the thread, I realize most Ranger fans have called this guy out. My apologies!
Just one Rangers fan and if you review his posting history, you will notice some bvery bone-headed posts.

This one poster you quoted does NOT represent the majority of the Rangers fans.

You will be hard pressed to find one other poster that would think the proposal that Bern posted is/was something we would consider.

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02-27-2013, 07:09 AM
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If the Ducks are able to fit him and Getz for around 6-6.25M each, would they consider moving Ryan to fit them?

Oilers would gladly throw some depth at them in return:

To ANA
Sam Gagner (point/game, only 23)
MPS (big-bodied LW, 21)
Tyler Pitlick (2nd rounder in 2010, played with Etem)

To EDM
Bobby Ryan

I understand that Ryan's price is high, but if he's available I see the Oilers willing to trade a blossoming Gagner+ to acquire him. His combination of size and skill is much-desired on this team.
No thanks.

MPS has no value to Anaheim, he wouldn't even make the NHL team tbh.
We have enough wingers in the system as it is that are / project to at least be as good, if not better then MPS.

Pitlick projects to a 3rd line center/winger (is he playing C in AHL?) MAYBE 2nd line with some luck. Though isn't he out long term with a knee injury right now? Or is he playing again? Either way, I can't see it being an interesting piece for Ryan to be honest.

Gagner isn't a bad player, has a bit of a lack of size, but not the end of the world. Though it's too early to call him a PPG center, he has never cracked 50 points, while he's having a good start, he'll have to show it's more then a hot start / 1 season thing, specially if he's the centerpiece for a trade with one of our best players.

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To Anaheim

Nothing

To UFA market

Corey Perry

Don't expect anything else.

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