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02-26-2013, 06:07 PM
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Why was the thread about Garrioch's rumor closed?? the poor guy is right for the first time in years and he cannot even get credit

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And a serioulsy smaller and softer player...
You and others weren't going to stop calling this team small and soft no matter if Cole or Ryder there.

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And a serioulsy smaller and softer player...
Well, one inch smaller, and it'S not like Cole was extremely physical either.

Plus, it means a better chance to nab a Clarkson or even a Perry during the summer.

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I don't know how I feel about this trade...

When you look at what each of them brings to the table, the things that stand out are...

- Cole is faster, hits more, doesn't float around the perimeter as often, and is usually a lot harder on the puck.

- Ryder has a better shot and he has been having a better year so far in terms of offensive production.

Overall, I think that we become an easier team to play against. Ryder is slower, smaller, and softer on the puck. But he does bring his scoring touch.

Mind you, Bergevin and Therrien have been preaching that it's important to have players with "character" to become tougher to play against as a team. Maybe, in their assessment, Ryder fits that mould better than Cole, at least right now.
Problem is Cole wasn't hitting this year and was floating. He's also one dimensional. The guy has the same move. He can't stickhandle and can't pass. I'd rather Ryder on the PP than him. If he's not crashing the net, he's virtually useless. Then there's that extra 2 years at 4.5M. I'm glad we bailed now rather than later....which is something Gauthier and Gainey would have done.

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Bourque - Plek - Ryder sounds about right except Bourque is on IR with a concussion so they'll be playing with Gio I suppose.
You have two right wingers on that line... doubtful combination but I could be wrong.

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Not like the guy is rude, relax.
Let a Bruins fan come over here and rain on our parade? We have enough Habs fans to do that.

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And a serioulsy smaller and softer player...
Alright. We made the argument that Cole "uses his size" because he makes a big hit every now and then. Fine. Weak argument at best, because he uses his speed more than anything when he has the puck, but if we're playing that game;





Yes, Michael Ryder is so damn soft that he is able to drill 6'1 Voracek and 6'3 Klesla.

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This trade means that Bergevin will hunt a big UFA at the end of the season with the save cap of gomez, cole and kaberle.

It doesn't affect the team depth by much for this year.

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Cole likes to sign a deal then ask for a trade.

You do not want this guy on your team.

Addition by subtraction plus a nice salary dump.

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Can you imagine having all those picks and letting Timmins work his magic? Just that 2013 draft could turn this franchise upside down. I'm not kidding.

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Been a Ryder fan since his debut with the Habs. We all know what he's capable of. Great scorer and like we saw, ain't a bad goaltender either.

Great deal by Bergevin. Not only he picks up the better player in the trade but he also gain 4.5M on the Cap starting next year.

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Okay now, let's get Koivu and Souray.
First thing I thought after reading that news was koivu!

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And a serioulsy smaller and softer player...

http://theswhl.com/team.php?team=5

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This trade means that Bergevin will hunt a big UFA at the end of the season with the save cap of gomez, cole and kaberle.

It doesn't affect the team depth by much for this year.
Perry or Getzlaf?

Could be none of that. The cap is getting lower and he needs to resign some players. He will have some room, but doubt that he will want to spend 6-7 Million for a 27 year old player when he seems to lean towards the "Young gun" side.

Wouldn't say no to one of those two though

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I don't really know what to say on this one... I understand that we get more cap flexibility since Ryder is not only does have a 3.5 cap hit compared to Cole's 4.5 but he'll also be a UFA at the end of the year. I also get the fact that with Gionta showing signs of age, we needed a new sniper that's a righty because our PP is running out of options. There's so much you can do with having your entire PP based on your player's at the point so having a right handed sniper mixes it up since Gionta is not a solid enough option anymore. Another thing is that the first thing people were worried about when the Cole signing was first announced was the term, 4 years seemed a lot for a 33 year old power forward who plays a style of play that's really hard on the body. I think Bergevin pulled a trigger a year too early on a deal like this, I think Cole's critics (along with Gionta's) have been overblown (He hit 2-3 posts this season which would give him 7 goals instead of 4) and I thought that he was starting to play good with Eller and Galchenyuk. Like others have probably mentionned, we also got smaller in this trade and Cole is the type of guy who thrives against teams like Boston because not only is he big but he's also FAST. The only satisfaction I get out of this trade is the 3rd round pick from Dallas, hopefully it's for this year's draft...

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Ryder is way better now than when he left.

Cole was looking for a trade to the US to send his daughter to an American school.
you are soooooo right. I'm a Bruins season ticket holder since 83 who liked how Ryder helped win the Cup but would have let him go. Been told he's really a different guy- more disciplined and prepared. Really good guy and getting better with age.

You guys are in for a surprise this aint the inconsistent talented streaky scorer both of us saw

sucks he would have been perfect for Boston, and now hes on the bleeping Canadiens and we have to face this ****

I like your GM alot, he's going to be a homerun for you folks

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well I hope it works out and it doesn't mess with the chemistry. Cole played in front of the net which made him valuable. I know he started off slow but he still had size and passing skills. I wonder if Ryder if happy to return to an organization that sent him packing years ago
He'll be wearing the same crest on his chest, but you're kidding yourself if you think this is the same organisation that it was 5 years ago. Virtually every position from owner to assistant coach is held by a different person now.

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Been a Ryder fan since his debut with the Habs. We all know what he's capable of. Great scorer and like we saw, ain't a bad goaltender either.

Great deal by Bergevin. Not only he picks up the better player in the trade but he also gain 4.5M on the Cap starting next year.
gained 4.5 if they don't sign ryder

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Awesome trade.

Can you imagine Cole's value if he continued to struggle? Edging into buyout territory.

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Can you imagine having all those picks and letting Timmins work his magic? Just that 2013 draft could turn this franchise upside down. I'm not kidding.
I can almost see you drooling

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Ryder isn't the same player/person he used to be when he was in Montreal. He's matured a lot and isn't just a "lazy bum" anymore. Even if it doesn't work out here, who cares? He's a UFA at the end of the year AND we got a 3rd round pick.

We'll have lots of money for Perry if Ryder walks at the end of the year.

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Michael Ryder: 35 goals - 27 assists - 62 points
Erik Cole: 35 goals - 26 assists - 61 points.


Put stats aside too.. This deal is brilliant.
almost identical,.

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salary dump = good

but got a little smaller again. sigh

but overall cole sucked anyway, so good deal

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Cap relief and draft pick is actually the GREAT NEWS. Whatever Ryder does is a plus. I have no idea how people can't like that. It's not like we got rid of a 20 year old here.....

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