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02-28-2013, 05:14 PM
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http://insidepittsburghsports.com/st...nguins/55799/#

Theirs a link to a article about what pens def prospects could get traded most people here put maatta in their trades but according to him hes untouchable.

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The only thing we had to trade for Ryan was traded to Carolina.

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What does it say about me that "Wingers" has become my go-to post....

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Theirs a link to a article about what pens def prospects could get traded most people here put maatta in their trades but according to him hes untouchable.
That article is worth a couple squirts of horse piss / not based on anything substantial IMO. Would love ot know who their "sources" are. Rossi?

Glad I don't pay for the "super-insider access" only to get drenched with more horse piss.

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Darn it, why did I click on that link.

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02-28-2013, 05:20 PM
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I CALL BS ON MAIN BOARD PERRY RUMOR (that McKenzie is "reporting" he won't sign)...

...I don't see a single thing in his Twitter account or on the web site from the last 48 hours that mentions Perry walking away from negotiation, and it would DEFINITELY be posted as a short story, considering not much is going on right now.
That's what I'm saying, McKenzie is a beast on Twitter, and this would obviously be up on his account

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02-28-2013, 05:21 PM
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That's what I'm saying, McKenzie is a beast on Twitter, and this would obviously be up on his account
Yah it's pure crap. He hasn't said a thing since getting back online after his supposed "radio comments". There's nothing at all to those Perry rumors AFAIC.

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Theirs a link to a article about what pens def prospects could get traded most people here put maatta in their trades but according to him hes untouchable.
you seem to be a big fan of that site. i can't for the life of me figure out way.

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Darn it, why did I click on that link.
it's an epidemic that we slowly have to stamp out. terrible pittsburgh sports journalism.

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whoa ROR gets paid 6.5 next year??? **** that, if I'm Colorado, I jump all over those draft picks

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Brooks for Stewart+Cole. A 2nd for Regehr. Promote Despres.
I actually was proposing the Orpik for Stewart at the last trade deadline and Blues Fans liked it, we could throw kennedy into either of those deals.

Or

Orpik,Kennedy,1st + Prospect for Perry

??? for Regher.

Next years cap with Perry getting $6mil

Chris Kunitz$3,725,000/Evgeni Malkin$8,700,000/James Neal$5,000,000
Pascal Dupuis$2,000,000/Sidney Crosby$8,700,000/Corey Perry6,000,000
Dustin Jeffrey700,000/Brandon Sutter$2,066,667Beau Bennett$900,000
Tanner Glass$1,100,000/Joe Vitale$550,000/Zach Sill(or other warm body)$600,000


Paul Martin$5,000,000/Robert Bortuzzo$600,000
Kris Letang$3,500,000/Matt Niskanen$2,300,000
Simon Despres$840,000/Deryk Engelland$566,667


Goaltenders
Marc-Andre Fleury
$5,000,000
Tomas Vokoun
$2,000,000

Around $59 leaves over 5 mil in cap space for a 13th forward and 7th D

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I actually was proposing the Orpik for Stewart at the last trade deadline and Blues Fans liked it, we could throw kennedy into either of those deals.

Or

Orpik,Kennedy,1st + Prospect for Perry

??? for Regher.

Next years cap with Perry getting $6mil

Chris Kunitz$3,725,000/Evgeni Malkin$8,700,000/James Neal$5,000,000
Pascal Dupuis$2,000,000/Sidney Crosby$8,700,000/Corey Perry6,000,000
Dustin Jeffrey700,000/Brandon Sutter$2,066,667Beau Bennett$900,000
Tanner Glass$1,100,000/Joe Vitale$550,000/Zach Sill(or other warm body)$600,000


Paul Martin$5,000,000/Robert Bortuzzo$600,000
Kris Letang$3,500,000/Matt Niskanen$2,300,000
Simon Despres$840,000/Deryk Engelland$566,667


Goaltenders
Marc-Andre Fleury
$5,000,000
Tomas Vokoun
$2,000,000

Around $59 leaves over 5 mil in cap space for a 13th forward and 7th D
Anaheim is a contender...Kennedy ****ing sucks, he isn't gonna help them...Orpik might help, and a late first is not going to help at all...no way that goes down

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02-28-2013, 05:27 PM
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That article is worth a couple squirts of horse piss / not based on anything substantial IMO. Would love ot know who their "sources" are. Rossi?

Glad I don't pay for the "super-insider access" only to get drenched with more horse piss.
I dont pay for it either just follow the guy on twitter. Sometimes these guys are right sometimes their wrong but i like reading it anyway

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I dont pay for it either just follow the guy on twitter. Sometimes these guys are right sometimes their wrong but i like reading it anyway
I predict Shero will acquire a winger at the deadline. Possibly Perry. That will be $5 please.

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I think it's possible they're really high on Maatta. Plays in all situations and has a high hockey IQ. That's something we could use on this team.

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02-28-2013, 05:44 PM
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I think it's possible they're really high on Maatta. Plays in all situations and has a high hockey IQ. That's something we could use on this team.
I dont think any of us know how they rank their def. Somehow on this board Maatta is the guy everybody thinks shero would part with. I am starting to think they would trade Despres not because of the article just how they use him. Seems like their afraid to play him.

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A lot of teams liked Maatta, but that doesn't mean those bozos have any information as to how he ranks relative to the other top-notch prospects we have.


As to Orpik + 1st (+ salary dump Kennedy) for Perry, not a snowcone's chance in hell.

Perry or Ryan would absolutely require:

1) Our best winger not named Neal (Kunitz)
2) Our 2013 1st
3) A very good D prospect or roster D.

It's not inconceivable they'd want: Orpik AND Kunitz, and the 1st... they'll get a comparable offer from someone else, guaranteed. Holmgren would offer that. Grossman, Couts, 1st... I wouldn't be shocked at all by that. Perry's still the best player in the deal by a wide margin, so that's the cost / starting point IMO.

They're not going ot leave a gap in their Top 6 to make that trade. They'll want someone who can step in immediately, with experience.

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A lot of teams liked Maatta, but that doesn't mean those bozos have any information as to how he ranks relative to the other top-notch prospects we have.


As to Orpik + 1st (+ salary dump Kennedy) for Perry, not a snowcone's chance in hell.

Perry or Ryan would absolutely require:

1) Our best winger not named Neal (Kunitz)
2) Our 2013 1st
3) A very good D prospect or roster D.

It's not inconceivable they'd want: Orpik AND Kunitz, and the 1st... they'll get a comparable offer from someone else, guaranteed. Holmgren would offer that. Grossman, Couts, 1st... I wouldn't be shocked at all by that. Perry's still the best player in the deal by a wide margin, so that's the cost / starting point IMO.

They're not going ot leave a gap in their Top 6 to make that trade. They'll want someone who can step in immediately, with experience.
Exactly, we should stop getting our hopes up for another star caliber player coming back, because we don't have the players that they would want unless they are rebuilding. Lets get real, the best we're gonna get with what we're willing to give up is Setoguchi or Kulemin. Possibly both in two separate deals, and I'm pretty sure I could live with that.

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I think if Colorado walks away from O'Reilly, and O'Reilly becomes a Flame, that is Calgary's big FU to everybody in hockey who thinks they should rebuild (i.e. trade Iggy). I see it as a way for Flames management to tell Iggy, "we're sorry, we should have done this way sooner, but here's a quality center for the rest of your playing career."

In other words, if you wanna see "Iginla 12" on the back of a Penguins jersey, you're rooting for the Avs to match that offer.

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FWIW, It wasn't McKenzie, it was LeBrun who talked about Perry situation.

It was just HIS OWN OPINION, that Perry could be dealt, because Ducks lost Justin Schultz for nothing, they saw Parise and Suter situations and their former teams getting nothing for their stars. Lebrun didn't hear anything, no rumors, nothing, it's just his own opinion, nothing more.

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A lot of teams liked Maatta, but that doesn't mean those bozos have any information as to how he ranks relative to the other top-notch prospects we have.


As to Orpik + 1st (+ salary dump Kennedy) for Perry, not a snowcone's chance in hell.

Perry or Ryan would absolutely require:

1) Our best winger not named Neal (Kunitz)
2) Our 2013 1st
3) A very good D prospect or roster D.

It's not inconceivable they'd want: Orpik AND Kunitz, and the 1st... they'll get a comparable offer from someone else, guaranteed. Holmgren would offer that. Grossman, Couts, 1st... I wouldn't be shocked at all by that. Perry's still the best player in the deal by a wide margin, so that's the cost / starting point IMO.

They're not going ot leave a gap in their Top 6 to make that trade. They'll want someone who can step in immediately, with experience.
I do Perry for Kunitz and Orpik all day, every day. But I don't think Anaheim needs Orpik, with a similar player in Bryan Allen already on the team. Plus they have Souray and Beauchemin as veterans who can bang bodies. Sbisa is younger but is also fairly physical. I doubt they want Orpik.

I think it would take Kunitz and Sutter.

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I think if Colorado walks away from O'Reilly, and O'Reilly becomes a Flame, that is Calgary's big FU to everybody in hockey who thinks they should rebuild (i.e. trade Iggy). I see it as a way for Flames management to tell Iggy, "we're sorry, we should have done this way sooner, but here's a quality center for the rest of your playing career."

In other words, if you wanna see "Iginla 12" on the back of a Penguins jersey, you're rooting for the Avs to match that offer.
Yeah but it's not like a quality center is the only thing they're lacking.. Jbo needs to go as well so the poor ******* can actually play a playoff game. Meanwhile they give away top picks and may stuck in the same situation in 2 years with an even older Iginla..

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I think if Colorado walks away from O'Reilly, and O'Reilly becomes a Flame, that is Calgary's big FU to everybody in hockey who thinks they should rebuild (i.e. trade Iggy). I see it as a way for Flames management to tell Iggy, "we're sorry, we should have done this way sooner, but here's a quality center for the rest of your playing career."

In other words, if you wanna see "Iginla 12" on the back of a Penguins jersey, you're rooting for the Avs to match that offer.
I'm hoping Colorado decides to have a brain fart, but the opportunity to maybe have two top 10 picks...that's waaaaay to good to pass off, no way in hell they match.

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The Hossa deal is the value that Perry could fetch.
Niskanen/Orpik=Armstrong
Kennedy=EC
Maatta=Espo
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The Hossa deal is the value that Perry could fetch.
Niskanen/Orpik=Armstrong
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I'd do it if it was Orpik rather than Niskanen

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A lot of teams liked Maatta, but that doesn't mean those bozos have any information as to how he ranks relative to the other top-notch prospects we have.


As to Orpik + 1st (+ salary dump Kennedy) for Perry, not a snowcone's chance in hell.

Perry or Ryan would absolutely require:

1) Our best winger not named Neal (Kunitz)
2) Our 2013 1st
3) A very good D prospect or roster D.

It's not inconceivable they'd want: Orpik AND Kunitz, and the 1st... they'll get a comparable offer from someone else, guaranteed. Holmgren would offer that. Grossman, Couts, 1st... I wouldn't be shocked at all by that. Perry's still the best player in the deal by a wide margin, so that's the cost / starting point IMO.

They're not going ot leave a gap in their Top 6 to make that trade. They'll want someone who can step in immediately, with experience.
You guys may want to slow your roll on Ryan. He's the player that looks like he has a hold on the second line center job, and it doesn't sound like there has been any intention to trade him. Both Boudreau and Murray have claimed that the rumors last season were almost entirely a media creation; albeit one that got out of hand when that guy interviewed Bobby on the golf course. I'm sure that there was some brief consideration last November, but it never really made sense to ship him off.

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