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04-11-2013, 01:41 AM
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Finally watched the premiere with healthy dose of skepticism, but I freaking loved it. Absolutely shocked that so much gore was allowed on network tv. People need to give this one a shot, it's far more interesting than any dopey crime procedural like Criminal Minds or non-William Petersen CSI.

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04-11-2013, 02:33 AM
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I just finished watching it On Demand and I thought it pretty darn good. Great cast. I hope it makes it through it's first season, it's a shame to see the low ratings for it's premiere. I guess it doesn't help that it's up against Elementary and Scandal.

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Was hoping it was an A-Team prequel.
At first this made me laugh then I thought about it ... That would be ****ing awesome!

Edit: I thought the pilot was pretty good, I will definitely be watching.

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Hannibal on tonight it should be good.

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04-11-2013, 08:35 PM
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Ive seen the movies, never read the books yet...

But I greatly enjoyed the premier, totally looking for more

Got a feeling this may get cancelled though, i'll be disappointed..

Agreed with the above, totally should be on HBO/Showtime

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04-11-2013, 08:57 PM
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A huge reason Silence of the Lambs, Manhunter and Red Dragon were compelling films was the energy and personality Anthony Hopkins and Brian Cox injected into the Lecter character.

I can't imagine a more charmless actor to play the character than Mads Mikkelson. Completely incapable of injecting a personality into any character he ever plays. Remember him in Casino Royale? Of course you don't, because the only thing that movie didn't have was a villain. Horrible casting choice for this character.

And then there's Will. Let's take a show with no likable characters and make it's hero a simpering autistic ******* so he'll develop no chemistry with any other cast member! Brilliant!

It's one of the worst pilots I've seen in years. It doesn't surprise me that people like it, they'll eat anything that purports to be psychological and dark.

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04-11-2013, 09:20 PM
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A huge reason Silence of the Lambs, Manhunter and Red Dragon were compelling films was the energy and personality Anthony Hopkins and Brian Cox injected into the Lecter character.

I can't imagine a more charmless actor to play the character than Mads Mikkelson. Completely incapable of injecting a personality into any character he ever plays. Remember him in Casino Royale? Of course you don't, because the only thing that movie didn't have was a villain. Horrible casting choice for this character.

And then there's Will. Let's take a show with no likable characters and make it's hero a simpering autistic ******* so he'll develop no chemistry with any other cast member! Brilliant!

It's one of the worst pilots I've seen in years. It doesn't surprise me that people like it, they'll eat anything that purports to be psychological and dark.
Wow, that's a little harsh.

Try to put Anthony Hopkins' Hannibal in this series, and he'll be played out and ridiculous by the third episode. I'm sure MM will be fine. He brings the sophistication and cunning to Hannibal just fine. He's always in control. I love it, and I sure as hell don't eat everything scary.

Maybe you're trying to compare this prospect to your film "Gretzky" and it's coming up short, but there's a good show here, and it deserves a fighting chance.

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I can't imagine a more charmless actor to play the character than Mads Mikkelson. Completely incapable of injecting a personality into any character he ever plays. Remember him in Casino Royale? Of course you don't, because the only thing that movie didn't have was a villain. Horrible casting choice for this character.
He's one of the better actors currently working. Check out After the Wedding, Adam's Apples, The Hunt, Flame and Citron, etc. sometime. This show is a waste of his talent.

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04-12-2013, 08:40 AM
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Enjoyed episode 2. Those bodies were disgusting.

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04-12-2013, 01:32 PM
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Wow, that's a little harsh.


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Try to put Anthony Hopkins' Hannibal in this series, and he'll be played out and ridiculous by the third episode.

I'd go as far as to say Anthony Hopkins' Hannibal was played out after The Silence of the Lambs. In Hannibal (the film) and Red Dragon the character had become a caricature. Compare Hopkins' performance in the latter to Brian Cox's performance in Manhunter. Hopkins' performance is preposterously over-the-top, delivering his lines with a hiss. What is supposed to be scary about Hannibal Lecter is that, while he is creepy, you'd still believe he is or was a very, very proficient psychologist. That's what made him monstrous. Hopkins didn't make that convincing after The Silence of the Lambs.

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I'm sure MM will be fine. He brings the sophistication and cunning to Hannibal just fine. He's always in control. I love it, and I sure as hell don't eat everything scary.
Agreed. I particularly liked his exchange with Freddie Lounds in last night's episode, which showed just how proficient and in control he is. He could see right through her and Lounds was reduced to just going along with what he asked because she knew there was no way she could manipulate him.


I'm happy to say that so far all of my complaints about the pilot have been addressed to a degree in the second episode:

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I'm a little scared of what they end up doing with the pacing of the show. I figured they'd do it such that one season = one case, like The Wire was. I didn't expect them to catch Garrett Jacob Hobbs so early, and I'm not sure if the show will be better for it. I think the show will fall apart if it's "serial-killer-of-the-week" la Criminal Minds. I think it needs to be about the main characters more than about the killer(s).
It's clear that, while they caught Hobbs almost right away, that it will continue to have repercussions on Graham. And while they did introduce a new serial killer for this week's episode he was really ancillary, and served more as a plot device to continue the development of the Graham character.

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Episode 2 was a lot better. Really enjoyed some of the scenes between Hannibal and Graham.

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I'm happy to say that so far all of my complaints about the pilot have been addressed to a degree in the second episode:
Same here. Although I was hesistant to state my issues with the premiere, not knowing where the writers are going, everything is heading in a good direction.

They made a good casting decision with the part of Freddy Lounds. I do believe I am a fan.

Now that Will has shot another perp, we can lay to rest the "meek fraidy-cat" persona that was speculated by a poster here. It's great to see one messed-up mind going after others. Looking forward to Episode 3.

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04-13-2013, 05:54 PM
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In silence of the lambs Hopkins was only on screen for 24 minutes. Weird. And he won best actor.

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A huge reason Silence of the Lambs, Manhunter and Red Dragon were compelling films was the energy and personality Anthony Hopkins and Brian Cox injected into the Lecter character.

I can't imagine a more charmless actor to play the character than Mads Mikkelson. Completely incapable of injecting a personality into any character he ever plays. Remember him in Casino Royale? Of course you don't, because the only thing that movie didn't have was a villain. Horrible casting choice for this character.

And then there's Will. Let's take a show with no likable characters and make it's hero a simpering autistic ******* so he'll develop no chemistry with any other cast member! Brilliant!

It's one of the worst pilots I've seen in years. It doesn't surprise me that people like it, they'll eat anything that purports to be psychological and dark.
This is just all kinds of stupid

Mads is a fantastic actor.

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Now that Will has shot another perp, we can lay to rest the "meek fraidy-cat" persona that was speculated by a poster here.
That was also me.

I made that observation relative to the character's demeanour in "Red Dragon". Given that that book and the two film adaptations are the only source material for the characterization of Graham it just seemed... weird... to have this relatively meek character instead. But it's okay, it makes sense.

The Will Graham of "Red Dragon" had by that time already caught Garrett Jacob Hobbs, had already caught Lecter, and had been out of the FBI for some time before Crawford drags him into the Toothfairy case. And he had been in quite a lot of therapy. The Will Graham we're watching on TV is a bit of a greenhorn by comparison, so it's no wonder he's not as composed and confident as the Will Graham we've seen before.

To put it into other terms, we've been warned by Dr. (Alana) Bloom that Will "shouldn't get too close" lest something bad happen to his psyche. In "Red Dragon" Dr. Bloom makes the same warning with respect to the Toothfairy, but notes that it's particularly important because of what happened to Will "the last time he got too close" (catching Lecter). In the book and the movies Will Graham has already gone through "getting too close" and is left forever changed. We're watching a version of Will Graham on TV that hasn't experienced any of that yet, so it's understandable.

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That was also me.

I made that observation relative to the character's demeanour in "Red Dragon". Given that that book and the two film adaptations are the only source material for the characterization of Graham it just seemed... weird... to have this relatively meek character instead. But it's okay, it makes sense.

The Will Graham of "Red Dragon" had by that time already caught Garrett Jacob Hobbs, had already caught Lecter, and had been out of the FBI for some time before Crawford drags him into the Toothfairy case. And he had been in quite a lot of therapy. The Will Graham we're watching on TV is a bit of a greenhorn by comparison, so it's no wonder he's not as composed and confident as the Will Graham we've seen before.

To put it into other terms, we've been warned by Dr. (Alana) Bloom that Will "shouldn't get too close" lest something bad happen to his psyche. In "Red Dragon" Dr. Bloom makes the same warning with respect to the Toothfairy, but notes that it's particularly important because of what happened to Will "the last time he got too close" (catching Lecter). In the book and the movies Will Graham has already gone through "getting too close" and is left forever changed. We're watching a version of Will Graham on TV that hasn't experienced any of that yet, so it's understandable.
Thanks for the explanation, that makes a lot of sense.

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Another solid episode. I did not think it would be like that at all before I started watching. Pleasantly surprised so far.

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For all the concerns on the 1st page with this being on NBC, I think it has more gore/grotesque scenes than anything i've seen on Dexter & Co on HBO. Those angels in Episode 5... disgusting, i had to look away.

I just caught up on all of the episodes and so far, I like it and the cast too.

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For all the concerns on the 1st page with this being on NBC, I think it has more gore/grotesque scenes than anything i've seen on Dexter & Co on HBO. Those angels in Episode 5... disgusting, i had to look away.

I just caught up on all of the episodes and so far, I like it and the cast too.
Me too. And you're right it really is gory. Never seen anything more macabre. A NBC affiliate actually pulled it off the air and isn't showing it anymore.

I'm worried it will get cancelled though. It's not getting the most amazing ratings. Which would be unfortunate because it's a really good show I like it a lot.

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did they ever air episode 4?

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did they ever air episode 4?
No. But you can buy it on itunes, or obviously stream it on an illegal site. It's out there.

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Well, that's a great way for the show to succeed -- don't air episodes. I don't see this show lasting too long, if it continues down that path.

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Well, that's a great way for the show to succeed -- don't air episodes. I don't see this show lasting too long, if it continues down that path.
it was about a brainwashed kid killing people so they didn't air it because of the Boston bombing in the US I believe.

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it was about a brainwashed kid killing people so they didn't air it because of the Boston bombing in the US I believe.
No, it was because of the elementary school shooting. Because it involved kids and murder. But it was silly anyway there's really no link to be made I've seen it and it's just silly that they'd do that. It's not even the most gory episode.

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Think I'm tapping out. For many of the same reasons mentioned by SK13. Although I was more forgiving of the pilot...I just can't get past Will and Lecter. Can't connect to anyone at all...so I just don't care. And if I don't care, why am I wasting my hour? For the gore? Meh...I'm a lifelong fan of horror, so I've been there/done that.

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