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02-28-2013, 05:52 PM
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Tough call for you guys, but the consolation is that should you match there is a very good chance that the 1st round pick is a top 10, with a slight chance of a top 5 since Calgary is having a crappy season. Myself I would take the pick since as good as ROR is, I can't see him being 6.5million good.

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02-28-2013, 05:53 PM
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So let's start speculating on the rest of Calgary's season:

17 road games 13 home games

8 against teams lower in the current standings (Oilers, Avs, CBJ)

3 of those are against the Avs

Kipper still out for a couple of weeks by reports (play Avs, Canucks, SJ, Ducks, LA*2)

I don't see them winning more than 12-13 games, possibly 3-4 ties. So +30 points, that would give them 48 points. That is probably good for 11th in the West, and probably a pick around 9-13.

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Why would they decline quickly. If they plan to not match, the least they can do is force him to wait the whole week.
That's what I'm saying. They will take their full amount of time given to decide.

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So your saying Tallinder who handles the puck like a grenade and Tedenby who can't crack the NHL is " top 4 and good prospect"? Riveting...
Gunnersson and a prospect...

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Judging by some of the posts in here you'd think no one remembers Sakic once signed a ridiculously overpriced offersheet.
He was one of the best players in the world. O'Reilly is just coming of his ELC....

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Judging by some of the posts in here you'd think no one remembers Sakic once signed a ridiculously overpriced offersheet.
Oh, I remember...what I can remember is how much negative ju-ju there was between Sakic and the AVs during the whole ordeal and how much if any time it took for the locker room to cope with.

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Gunnersson and a prospect...
Seeing as how the Avs had a deal in place for MDZ, why would we want Gunnarrsson?

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LOL what are talking about. Avs didn't trade him, he signed on his own accord.
Means your GM ran out of time to make his deal. Apparently asking for the moon it just illuminates how unrealistic some people were around here.

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02-28-2013, 05:56 PM
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Judging by some of the posts in here you'd think no one remembers Sakic once signed a ridiculously overpriced offersheet.
Yes, but every Avs fan doesn't know what his potential is. He could be a very solid 50-55 point player or go down back to his 30 points.

It also depends on where he would play, I think he would be a much better player on our team compared to Calgary's lack of offensive power.

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I dont think they will match . The Avs must think about their other young players and what will it do to their salary stucture in the future . They have to think about players like Duchene and Lando , who they will have to put under contract soon .
I think i would gamble on the draft picks.
No. They need to think about their young players...ALL of them. Without O'Reilly right now they're simply a terrible hockey team. Those picks don't guarantee anything. O'Reilly does.

Other teams have managed themselves under the cap just fine with contracts like this. They don't match, they've guaranteed letting a proven young player walk for less-than-adequate compensation. And to a current division rival no less.

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Just match and heal the wounds. Two years is a long time to forget about this for both the player and management.

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He was one of the best players in the world. O'Reilly is just coming of his ELC....
O'Reilly is one of the best defensive player of the past quarter century. Sakic was just coming off an average season for him.

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I don't see them winning more than 12-13 games, possibly 3-4 ties. So +30 points, that would give them 48 points. That is probably good for 11th in the West, and probably a pick around 9-13.
I could see this happening. Thinking the highest the pick is around the 10-12 range.

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Gunnersson and a prospect...
I'd rather have the 1st and 3rd, thanks.

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The flames aren't a good team, don't see them being better than us even with O'Reilly. Lets tank I guess

End up with Drouin and Mac hopefully

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Hopefully this is the sacrifice the Hockey Gods wanted to see in order to stop hurting all the Avs players.

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Meh having two top ten-fifteen picks in the draft sounds good to me. We likely could get an impact player with that pick in this draft.

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02-28-2013, 05:58 PM
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Seeing as how the Avs had a deal in place for MDZ, why would we want Gunnarrsson?
I'm saying gunner, 1st + prospect. jeez

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I hope Sherman makes O'Reilly stew the 7 days, then takes the picks and runs with 'em. Flames pick is going to be somewhere between #5-15, and in this draft that's going to be potential gold. 3rd rounder won't hurt either. Then either get Stastny locked up on an extension or trade him if he doesn't look like he wants to stay, preferably for a lefty d-man who can be immediately slotted next to EJ (even if it's more of a top 4 d-man than a top 2, at least that'd be an improvement over the current situation).

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Oh, I remember...what I can remember is how much negative ju-ju there was between Sakic and the AVs during the whole ordeal and how much if any time it took for the locker room to cope with.
And the fact that he went on to become one of the greatest captains and players of all time. If we let him walk we'd have been laughing stocks. O'Reilly may not be Sakic, but if the Avs can overcome their Captain signing an offersheet for more money than most of the team combined at the time, they can overcome this decision by Ryan.

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02-28-2013, 05:59 PM
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Sakic up to that point was a 90+pts per year superstar coming off a Conn Smythe performace and turned out to be a possibly top 10 NHL player of all time he deserved every last penny he made.

ROR is a 4th year player who has a career high of 55pts playing next to the Calder winner and was coming off 2 approximate 30pts seasons. He is not worth 6.5M per. He is an arrogant a hole, and I hope he rots away in Calgary.
Sakic also signed an offer sheet that was to my knowledge probably the most hostile offer sheet in history, which left the Avs scrambling and having to clear out salary, and he got back into the good graces as we all know.

My point is actually that I wouldn't be so quick to damn the kid right now. Ugly contract disputes happen, but that doesn't mean it couldn't ever possibly be mended. He seems like a good kid apart from this whole ordeal. All players are "about the money". And who knows what kind of stories would have surfaced around the Sakic offer sheet if Twitter and co had been around at the time. I'm holding out hope that the Avs match and both parties decide to move forward together, but I'm also not quite as emotionally invested as you guys probably are.

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If you buy a $5 scratch ticket and you scratch it and it's a $100 winner, would you trade it for a $10 scratch ticket and a $2 scratch ticket? I sure as hell wouldn't, I'd take the guaranteed return over a chance you get nothing worthwhile. Should Pittsburgh trade Crosby for a 1st overall and two 2nds? Using your logic that's highway robbery! You only spent one first overall on Crosby, and you get 2 2nds by flipping him! The reality is that Crosby is worth far, far more than that. O'Reilly is worth far more than just a 2nd. The $5 scratch ticket that you know is a $100 winner is worth more than the $10 scratch ticket that's unlikely to win you more than the $100 you already have.
But at the same time, that $5 scratch ticket while being worth $100, is not worth the $200 that you have to pay to cash it in.

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What do you mean? This is not good.

A $6.5 QO due the same years Duchene, Landeskog, and Varly are due for extensions.

ROR is a goner. I hope he has a horrendous career and drowns in his money.
You know he's a 22 year old kid getting bad advice. Take it easy on him.

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You can bet your ***** that Sherman is making the scouts work extra extra hard here in the next 7 days to see if they have a guy in the 10-15 range that they think is a home-run.

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Hopefully this is the sacrifice the Hockey Gods wanted to see in order to stop hurting all the Avs players.
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