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02-28-2013, 11:25 PM
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Kessel is elite like Bosh was elite
Like Rick (weak bladder)Vaive was elite.

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Keep Kessel.

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Keep Kessel and sign Perry. Its easy guys.

Lupul-Kadri-Perry
JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Kuli-Grabo-Frattin
Mclaren-McClemment-Orr

Boom. Now thats a dirty line up

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03-01-2013, 12:34 AM
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What about Kessel for Couture...... I'd like to see

JVR Couture Perry
Lupol Kadri Clarkson
Kulemin Bozak Frattin
Komarov McClement Orr/ Mclaren/Brown/Bigg/Broll

(obviously the latter 2 not ready as of yet)

Trade Grabo for the highest pic/prospect you can...fill his cap space with Clarkson.

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03-01-2013, 12:34 AM
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Perrys fast approaching his 30s... and if he leaves for FA obviously it ****s us... Kessels younger and more fits our team age group, by the time r young guns like Rielly Biggs Finn are ready perry will be a grey beard. Not really but we would have a time frame of like 5 years with Perry to win a cup. I would say keep Kessel but tell him to crash the net after he shoots and sign perry in FA.

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Perrys fast approaching his 30s... and if he leaves for FA obviously it ****s us... Kessels younger and more fits our team age group, by the time r young guns like Rielly Biggs Finn are ready perry will be a grey beard. Not really but we would have a time frame of like 5 years with Perry to win a cup. I would say keep Kessel but tell him to crash the net after he shoots and sign perry in FA.
You need veterans to win a cup. Besides in 5 years, Perry is only 32. Hardly a grey beard. Yes, he would be leaving his prime, but he would provide years of playoff experience.

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In a heartbeat. I like Kessel but Corey Perry fits this system like a glove.

Lupul, Perry, JvR, Kulemin, Frattin, Komarov is still just as good on the wing.

If Perry signs with the Leafs...bye bye Kessel.
Why?

We have the luxury of having a young pipeline of players who will be able to fill up our dcorps for the next 3-5 years.

We also have the luxury of spending more on our forwards and I would keep as many impact players as possible

Kessel would be the best 2nd line RW in the league

If Anaheim is looking to trade Perry, look for a deal that could help Anheim right away as they are looking to make the playoffs.

Kulemin + Gunnarson + Colborne/Percy + 1st Round pick for Corey Perry
Trade Liles for a 2nd
Amnesty Komi
Sign Perry 8 years/64 mil

JVR (4.25) - Kadri (3) - Perry (8)
Lupul (5.25) - Bozak (3)- Kessel (5.4)
Komarov (1.75) - Grabo (5.5) - Frattin (.925)
Maclaren (.750) - McClement (1.5) - Orr (1)

Phaneuf (6.5) - Holzer (.75)
Gardiner (1.16)- Franson (2.75)
Kostka/Fraser (.75) - Rielly (1.775)

Reimer (1.8)
Scrivens (.612)

That's around 58 mil with the bonuses, well under the cap. The top 9 is easily top 8 in the league and we have money left over to sign/trade for a defenceman. We could sign a guy like Scuderi if we want to keep Rielly down for another year, or just pair kostka with fraser. We'll also have money to pay our guys once they need raises.

With the flexibility and depth that we have, we want to keep our impact players for as long as possible. The emergence of our younger dmen plus Frattin/Komarov/JVR allow us to trade guys like Kulemin and Gunnarson who are going on to their 3rd/4th contracts as complimentary players.

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03-01-2013, 01:30 AM
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You have to give up Gardiner+ or Rielly+ for that...I'm not sure I want to do that.

Gardiner + Rielly are going to be every bit as impactful as Kadri has been.

Kessel and Perry are similar offensive players but Perry blows him out of the water in every other department.
We have to give up players for an UFA? Which is what the other poster was probably referring to.

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03-01-2013, 01:35 AM
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I wouldn't say bad.But have you watched the last few games.
Have you watched the last few years?

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03-01-2013, 01:53 AM
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Why trade Kessel for Perry when you can have him for free in July?

Terrible asset management.

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Kessel is elite like Bosh was elite
Bosh is elite though... lol

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Why trade Kessel for Perry when you can have him for free in July?

Terrible asset management.
You can't have $13M invested in two RW's.

Give-to-get. If you can get it done, you replace Kessel with Perry.

Lupul/C/Perry
JVR/Kadri/Frattin
Komarov/Grabovski/Kulemin
LW/McClement/RW

Odd men out: Clarke MacArthur and Tyler Bozak


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03-01-2013, 02:42 AM
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You can't have $13M invested in two RW's.

Give-to-get.

If you can get it done, you replace Kessel with Perry.
Wanna bet?

Lupul(5.25) Kadri(2.75) Perry(7)
JVR(4.25) Bozak(2.75) Kessel(5.4)
Kulemin(2.8) McClemment(1.5) Frattin(0.925)
Orr(0.75) Komarov(1) Brown(0.737)
McLaren(0.75)

Gunnarsson(2.5) Phaneuf(6.5)
Gardiner(1.117) Franson(2.5)
Fraser(0.75) Holzer(1)
Liles(3.875) Kostka(0.75)

Reimer(1.8)
Scrivens(0.613)

Komisarek(2.5)
Tucker(1)
Armstrong(1)

Team Payroll(61.767)
Salary Cap(64.3)
Cap Space(2.533)

#KaneAndHossaSayHI

Where is Chicago in the stangings? 12.4 vs. 11.6M in RW. Since we have so much in cap space we don't really need to use next year, I figured we'd take half of Komisarek's salary to get a pick for him.


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Kessel doesn't really fit the team - I'm sick of seeing him turn away from checks, and barely even pretending to battle for the puck. As almost everyone else has said... if this deal was on the table, I'd take it.

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ill drive phil the thrill to the airport ....his performance the last few games may be an indication he knows hes gone ,,,,,,contant turning away from hits and the net must have carlyle seething ,,

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Perry >> Kessel.

In saying that, Kessel wouldnt be moved for him unless we were allowed to negotiate with him first and get him signed.

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Perry >> Kessel.

In saying that, Kessel wouldnt be moved for him unless we were allowed to negotiate with him first and get him signed.
Yes, that's the situation we're all taking about.

I don't think anyone would have a problem trading Kessel and then signing Perry.

I was just wondering if this is possible:

Trade Kessel for Perry (unsigned but negotiate a deal before) then when he's on the team, sign him to an 8 year deal?

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Kessel for a signed Perry. Any day of the week please.

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Why trade Kessel for Perry when you can have him for free in July?

Terrible asset management.
Because there's no way Anaheim will lose Perry for nothing - he will be dealt or re-signed.

If there was even a remote possibility that we could acquire Perry (with an obvious long-term extension), Kessel + would need to be the package.

As for Cox, I never thought I'd see the day where something insightful like this would come from him:

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Assuming the Leafs would be very interested, here's where it gets really interesting. Ex-GM Brian Burke, as we know, is now a part-time scout with the Ducks. He can supply Anaheim with the inside dope on every single Leaf player and prospect, plus he knows how Nonis feels and thinks about every single Leaf player and prospect, and how he values them.
...but it's true, if a trade between Anaheim is going to be made, Burkie is indirectly going to be all over it from his scouting desk. Although RC knows the players' value over there, Nonis calls the shots - and if Burkie knows exactly how Nonis values our players, we already get the short end of the stick going in.

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Id trade Kessel AND Bozak for Perry.

He is the real deal.
I'd do the same assuming we could negotiate Perry into a contract extension before the deal is completed.

A #1 centre (if one becomes available via UFA) would be more enticed to sign here with Corey Hart Trophy Perry on his wing along with JVR or Lupul. IMO.

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I'm not a Kessel fan at all but there is no way in hell i do this deal.

Take your chances like everyone else come July 1.

If he wants to sign here , all DN has to do is belly up a solid contract.

Phil would be better suited as a 2nd line RW anyhow.

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Bosh is elite though... lol
Yeah he can do it all alone ... just ask him.

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Yes, that's the situation we're all taking about.

I don't think anyone would have a problem trading Kessel and then signing Perry.

I was just wondering if this is possible:

Trade Kessel for Perry (unsigned but negotiate a deal before) then when he's on the team, sign him to an 8 year deal?
For the love of gawd, no no no no

The value of having the inside track on Perry does not equal Phil Kessel.

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Bosh is elite though... lol
Not elite like Lebron and Wade, who were able to propel their teams to the playoffs and/or a championship on their own. Bosh led the Raptors to nothing and needed true elite players to do so. It's obvious that if Miami decided to move one of the big three, Bosh would packing his bags so the analogy fits. If the Leafs had to choose between Getzlaf, Perry or Kessel, it's goodbye Kessel.

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The question on this trade is the contracts.

What does Perry get in his next contract? Presumably 7-8?

That means next year you're spending around 2 million more to keep Perry over Kessel. To me, that's not too bad. After that, Kessel renegotiates to a point where I bet the difference is less than 1 mil per year.

Is Perry worth 1 mil per year more on the long term? I think so.

So, if there is a complete assurance that Perry signs for five years under 7.5 mil, I do this deal yesterday. More money scares me, more years scare me.

That said, given current contract structures, Kessel for Perry seems like an overpayment.

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