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02-28-2013, 08:55 PM
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Or...Paul Stastny. Like I said, when Stastny is traded and the Stastny haters have no one else to complain about...ROR will be waiting with open arms.
Haven't you been reading this thread? O'Reilly is going to get blasted every game. Stastny is off the hook now.

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Or...Paul Stastny. Like I said, when Stastny is traded and the Stastny haters have no one else to complain about...ROR will be waiting with open arms.
If there's one thing our resident whiners have proven time and again, it's that they will never be without something to complain about.

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THIS IS CRAZY. Can't wait for reactions when he's throwing up 40 points next year and people are like OMGZ he's not captain intangibles and he doesn't produce great offensive numbers.

Will go down as one of the worst mistakes in Avs history. **** is about to blow up within the next few years.
Well it's better than giving him away for nothing to a division rival. We had to match.

In hinds sight, we should have traded him a month ago

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Cant believe you guys are all so damn negative about this. ROR is a safe bet, we have no idea what those picks could have been.


I mean yea Im pretty pissed about the way he handled everything and crap, but give him 5 games back here and everyone will love him again.

We need to negotiate with him asap and get him locked up long term for 5-5.5M.

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And this reply:

"Sherman ends up paying him 5 mil per anyway and 6.5 in the 2nd year. How is this about principles? Sherman lost."

Edit; btw, I'm not sure about all the details so I'm not attacking.

It's about principles because the Avs offered the deal they thought was fair for him. He signed an offer sheet worth that kind of money, something the Avs KNEW was a possibility by having him holdout for so long and based on the compensation, the Avs matched. They stuck to their guns with their offer and didn't cave, they decided to retain him instead of the alternative, this isn't about winning or losing, it's about believing about certain principles.

I'd love believe that RoR will be around for the next 10 years but more than likely, he'll play another year, maybe year and half and then his value will be even MORE than it was today.
Sorry but there is just no way that ROR will be worth more than he was before today. He would have to put up or be on pace for 75+ points next year in order to achieve that. He has a 6.5M QO offer for gods sake. I'd like to wager that the return will be worse than CGY 1st + 3rd in 2013 (and I believe that CGY will finish outside of the top ten...)

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Or...Paul Stastny. Like I said, when Stastny is traded and the Stastny haters have no one else to complain about...ROR will be waiting with open arms.
Except, Ryan will play better so there's no reason to hate on him.

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Cant believe you guys are all so damn negative about this. ROR is a safe bet, we have no idea what those picks could have been.


I mean yea Im pretty pissed about the way he handled everything and crap, but give him 5 games back here and everyone will love him again.

We need to negotiate with him asap and get him locked up long term for 5-5.5M.
Never was in the first place.

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Dude just held the Avalanche hostage. I don't know anybody everybody but if I'm Matt Duchene I don't want to be in the same room with that guy. Kicked his toys to get a payday and it worked.

Only thing that's 100% right now is the fact that he'll be playing with more pressure than he ever has in his hockey career and he needs to BRING IT. If dude comes out and doesn't put points on the board, were in trouble. Period. He can't just play good solid hockey and play good defense, he needs to produce.
He did, and there will be some animosity at first. Time heals all wounds, and it will in this case. We are forced to keep him for a year, if it is toxic then... then trade him.

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Sherman don't like the podium at all

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Players earning less than or equal to $6.5m this season:

Kopitar
Phaneuf
Doughty
Vanek
Carter
Getzlaf
Sedin x2
Sharp
Backstrom
Heatley
Kane
Ryan
M. Koivu
Krejci
Kessel
Green
Yandle
Karlsson

Who knew character was worth so much?

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On Avs matching O'Reilly offer, one industry source believes it's a given they'll trade him a year from now.
Not surprising but a lot can happen between now and next trade deadline.

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Cant believe you guys are all so damn negative about this. ROR is a safe bet, we have no idea what those picks could have been.


I mean yea Im pretty pissed about the way he handled everything and crap, but give him 5 games back here and everyone will love him again.

We need to negotiate with him asap and get him locked up long term for 5-5.5M.
My main problem is this... We are going to be right back at this in a year. It's like if they signed a 1 year CBA, woohoo, but crap, we'll be back to a lockout again.

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Have to remember that ROR can still be taken to salary arbitration after next year or ROR can (and would) sign a long term deal with a lot lower salary cap than 6.5m. Have to say this does feel like utter incompetence by the Avs management though. Really want Lacroix/Sherman out at this point.
From my understanding if Colorado elects to take O'Reilly to arbitration, the arbitrator can not award O'Reilly less then 85% of his earnings in the final year of his last contract. That would mean O'Reilly could not make less than $5,525,000 if the arbitrator rules in the Avs favour.

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Except, Ryan will play better so there's no reason to hate on him.
He better. Or will you be a ROR defender until the bitter end.

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Shocker. Sherman holds a press conference and basically says nothing at all.

Awesome home coverage too Altitude. Show about a minute of a press conference for one of the biggest things that's happened to the Avs in years.

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THIS IS CRAZY. Can't wait for reactions when he's throwing up 40 points next year and people are like OMGZ he's not captain intangibles and he doesn't produce great offensive numbers.

Will go down as one of the worst mistakes in Avs history. **** is about to blow up within the next few years.
Trading away Shattenkirk and Stewart was worse

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I don't get 90% of you.

First you all say that Sherman is smart for not paying ROR 5 million dollars and now because he had to sign a offer sheet, it's Sherman fault.

WTF?

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Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun
On Avs matching O'Reilly offer, one industry source believes it's a given they'll trade him a year from now.

Makes sense they matched it instantly then. Can trade him before deadline next year.

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Sherman don't like the podium at all
Anyone got a link for this?
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Players earning less than or equal to $6.5m this season:

Kopitar
Phaneuf
Doughty
Vanek
Carter
Getzlaf
Sedin x2
Sharp
Backstrom
Heatley
Kane
Ryan
M. Koivu
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Who knew character was worth so much?
I'd take ryan over 7/8 players on the list.

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Except, Ryan will play better so there's no reason to hate on him.
Better hope so...

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By the way, can't wait to see what papa O'Reilly has to say about this.

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This whole locker room thing is being overblown. It might take a few weeks or a month, but he will earn the other guys' respect. They don't have to like him personally (many teammates don't get along), they just have to perform well as a team.
Hockey players like to leave the business part of it outside the locker room.

I'm sure there might be a couple of players that don't like what has happened but I think most will get over it quickly.

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Well it's better than giving him away for nothing to a division rival. We had to match.

In hinds sight, we should have traded him a month ago
again with the division rival
for what, half of a half season?

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but give him 5 games back here and everyone will love him again.
Nah. The whole amazing teammates thing has been thrown out the window. Before he could be good at facebooks, play smart hockey and be good defensively and everybody would praise him because he's a young 2nd round pick. Whatever else he added was gravy, the 55 point season? Made people love him even more.

Now he's a greedy player with an extremely high opinion of himself, one that he put above the team. He wanted to be paid like a superstar and now he has. I don't care how good defensively he is, how hard he works after the game, how many draws he wins or whatever amount of takeaways he racks up. I want to see him put the puck in the net and generate scoring chances. He needs to put up points or I'm going to tear him apart, like everybody else should.

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You could look at it like he bent the Avs over a barrel, but don't forget he is not the only side in this. I think the Avs were going to let him rot until they were blown away with an offer, which might not have happened. A guy like this wants to play. There's every chance that he wouldn't have touched NHL ice this year. He had one card to play, and he ended up playing it. Hard to pass up that money, knowing there's a good chance you go back to the only NHL team you've known. I don't like how it went down, but I am happy to have him back.

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