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Last night I dreamt that we played Ron Wilson hockey again.

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02-28-2013, 01:26 PM
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Last night I dreamt that we played Ron Wilson hockey again.

I'm being a little bit artful with my title, but I really saw a bad version of the leafs last night.

Every chance the leafs had last night they try to score on the transition just like the losing Wilson days.

I'm not sure if JvR has gone back to his tentative game, but he and his line-mates had no chance last night. The Habs gave the top line what looked like several odd man rushes, but thwarted every opportunity.

The reason this is a new thread is because I saw the same thing occur in the Flyers game. The big difference was bad goaltending.

We win when we:

Fight
Forecheck
Have opportunities on the Power Play
Slow the game in the offensive end

Have the leafs been scouted properly? Has our lack of size/lack of toughness in the top 9 been exposed now? What can the leafs do to suck in other teams to fight?

Last night felt like the dog days of the leafs in feb 2012.

Is this a signicant loss and the start of something?

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02-28-2013, 01:28 PM
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Last night I had a dream we traded:


F - Phil Kessel
F - Tyler Bozak


D - Matt Hunwick

Losing to the Habs does crazy things... just move on.

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The Leafs lost last night because they had absolutely no forecheck. They dumped the puck in the offensive zone but rarely got it back because the Habs would get there first and it was out quickly with one pass. The Leafs just didn't put any pressure on them at all.

Conversely, whenever the Habs dumped it in the Leafs zone they got it back by forechecking and sending three players in to jump on the Leafs slow defense. This was the difference in a nutshell.

I've noticed this has been the case the last three games. Not sure why Carlyle hasn't addressed it. He may just be choosing to keep the team in the neutral zone and force the other team to dump and chase, but it isn't really working out for them. I'm assuming the system will change when Frattin and Lupul come back.

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The Leafs don't have any puck moving defensemen playing, so once a team with a decent forecheck comes at us, our defense struggles to get it out. It's what happens when your forwards aren't engaged enough.

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The problem was we didnt test Price enough, sadly he was weak that game, had we peppered him with 25-30 shots it would have been a win for us.

The leafs need to stop getting so cocky thinking they're this top skilled team because their not. They need to get back to the basics which is all out hustle, team defense, and peppering the other team with shots and hits, we need to get back to this starting tonight.

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02-28-2013, 02:27 PM
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Keep in mind we played the best team in the East right now. Habs system completely shut us down offensively. Couldn't establish a rush or a forecheck.

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02-28-2013, 02:41 PM
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The Leafs don't have any puck moving defensemen playing, so once a team with a decent forecheck comes at us, our defense struggles to get it out. It's what happens when your forwards aren't engaged enough.
Well how do you explain how terrible we played when we had Kabs. Liles, and Gardiner in the line-up?

Last night's loss was mostly on the forwards.

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The reason it looks like this is because RC always starts his 4th line in the offensive zone and the 1st line in the D zone. It makes no sense and is one of the reasons that line struggles. That and not friggin trying some new combos with Kessel. Incredibly frustrating to watch as a fan.

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Ron Wilson will never coach another NHL game, not unless that team is intent on tanking.

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Honestly wouldn't worry too much about last night's game. The entire team (save for 1 or 2 guys) was flat. They weren't skating well at all.

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Do we need an agitator? If we don't fight we don't win.

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Well, Liles is a puck mover, but Carlyle refuses to play him over Gunnar

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Do we need an agitator? If we don't fight we don't win.
I think that's Komorov's job.

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There were at least half a dozen odd-man rushes against tonight, and a good dozen horribly blown defensive assignments. Wilson hockey is back!

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The reason it looks like this is because RC always starts his 4th line in the offensive zone and the 1st line in the D zone. It makes no sense and is one of the reasons that line struggles. That and not friggin trying some new combos with Kessel. Incredibly frustrating to watch as a fan.
You're completely wrong. These stats are tracked. Kessel gets about 50% offensive zone starts, same with the Kadri line. The Grabovski line starts only 1/3 of their shifts in the offensive zone.

The fourth line starts most of their shifts in the offensive zone because starting them on defensive zone faceoffs is just begging to get scored on.

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Keep in mind we played the best team in the East right now. Habs system completely shut us down offensively. Couldn't establish a rush or a forecheck.
does that mean kessel can just stop trying ?

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WTF is this Crap?

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Do we need an agitator? If we don't fight we don't win.
It seemed liked Prust did the bare minimum, to not fight.

The lone time he did it, was to get a good PK dman off the ice.
Both teams were using their heads last night. One team for sure was not going to fight.

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