HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > Pittsburgh Penguins
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Plus-Minus Thread | Hurricanes 4, Penguins 1

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
02-28-2013, 09:43 PM
  #226
Darth Vitale
Moderator
Dark Matter
 
Darth Vitale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Darkness
Country: United States
Posts: 27,500
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ColeMPV View Post
You guys don't want Maurice, trust me.
I've heard a number of people say this over the years... what is it about him that's bad? Is he a chronic line-jumbler or something?

Darth Vitale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2013, 09:44 PM
  #227
MrBurghundy
Never forget: #47
 
MrBurghundy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: GlassCase of Emotion
Country: United States
Posts: 20,940
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by plaidchuck View Post
I honestly think some kind of move will be made before he's fired. If the team sucks after a move or gets blown away in the first round only then will he get fired.
I don't disagree, but that wasn't the question I asked.

MrBurghundy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2013, 09:44 PM
  #228
mpp9
Registered User
 
mpp9's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Country: United States
Posts: 24,051
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Malkin4Top6Wingerz View Post
And you don't think adding Kunitz, or a similar type player might resolve that?
It'll certainly help. That line looked pretty average to me even with Sid working the corners well. And I'm on record saying Kunitz-Sid-Neal should dominate. Neal is just garbage this year at ES. Lazy ****ing hockey player.

mpp9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2013, 09:46 PM
  #229
KIRK
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 47,800
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by IcedCapp View Post
well it's related to the bolded, I'm really waiting for people to turn on Sid. I said it would happen in the GDT.

Malkin lead this team! Sid doesn't! Sid is a bum! All his fault!

Whatever
WTF. That isn't even what I was thinking. But, yeah, there are myopic types who will say that, and there are myopic people who will read a comment about what Malkin did last year without Sid over a four month stretch as a slight to Sid instead of simply a compliment to Geno. Eh, whatever . . .

KIRK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2013, 09:46 PM
  #230
bathroomSTAAL
The halcyon days
 
bathroomSTAAL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Pittsburgh
Country: United States
Posts: 12,177
vCash: 500
Fire 'em all and let God sort 'em out!

bathroomSTAAL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2013, 09:46 PM
  #231
KaylaJ
i bent my wookie
 
KaylaJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: hell
Country: United States
Posts: 17,481
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tender Rip View Post
Canes have played a stretch of games with half their D missing and without a couple of forwards also, including Skinner. That's a big reason they lost 4 of 5 prior to this game.

Look at the team they put out there tonight and add Pitkanen coming back. It is a playoff team for sure, and they will be a handful for pretty much anyone, I guarantee it.
I'm pretty sure Semin has hit more posts than some scoring leaders have points too. They're scary and without Fleury tonight we would've seen it a lot more.

And yeah, I give these teams credit too. The Canes look like they're having fun, the Panthers for all their injuries and troubles keep trying, the Penguins? The standings are nice, but we've seen how much that mattered in the playoffs. I don't know where they lost it or how, but of all things they're missing, I really wish they'd get their heart back.

KaylaJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2013, 09:46 PM
  #232
plaidchuck
Registered User
 
plaidchuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 5,527
vCash: 200
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBurgundy View Post
I don't disagree, but that wasn't the question I asked.
But like I said they'll probably catch montreal on a bad night and get some blowout win and give everyone a false sense of security. Getting crushed for a few more games while the season is salvageable could end up saving the team though if the right moves were taken.

plaidchuck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2013, 09:47 PM
  #233
KIRK
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 47,800
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by IcedCapp View Post
Hey has an awesome name and he's on twitter.

You can't possible need more reasons, right?

He's one of the guys responsible for the Leafs turnaround. Head coach of the Marlies.

He can't leave for another NHL job during this season per his contract.

He implements discipline and structure and holds players accountable, but will be honest with them along the way.

I think he's the guy you could most credit for Kadri being one of the better players in the league so far this year.
Structure, discipline, accountability, works well with young talented players. I don't see how someone like that could qualify as a Ray Shero guy.

KIRK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2013, 09:47 PM
  #234
Darth Vitale
Moderator
Dark Matter
 
Darth Vitale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Darkness
Country: United States
Posts: 27,500
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by bathroomSTAAL View Post
Fire 'em all and let God sort 'em out!

Darth Vitale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2013, 09:48 PM
  #235
ramp23
Registered User
 
ramp23's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 89
vCash: 500
sorry


Last edited by ramp23: 02-28-2013 at 09:58 PM.
ramp23 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2013, 09:48 PM
  #236
Jag68Sid87
Nothing Else Maattas
 
Jag68Sid87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Montreal, QC
Posts: 32,254
vCash: 500
I think it's safe to say we're NOT getting a new fourth line until we get a new coach. I feel bad for Vitale but he's completely useless between Glass and Adams. Heck, even when Sid takes shifts between them he is useless. It's a total black hole of complete and utter suckitude.

If it were up to me, Steve MacIntyre-Joe Vitale-that Bobby Farnham guy would be the fourth line. Players who actually add something to the mix. If you need energy, they'd actually bring energy. If you needed instigation, they'd actually instigate. If you needed to start crap on the ice to light a fire, they'd do that too. And they would also make the rest of the club feel a bit bigger and badder. THAT is a fourth line.

For what it's worth, I REALLY like the Dallas Eakins idea. By all accounts, he has done a GREAT job within the Leafs organization. I would also nominate Jon Cooper, who has a number of Lightning youngsters playing very well (either in Tampa or in Syracuse). Also, I saw a Syracuse game live earlier this season, against Hamilton at the Bell Centre. Granted, Hamilton sucks, but I absolutely loved the way Cooper's team plays...very aggressive, offense-oriented, with an emphasis on skill, but also a LOT of toughness. HUGE hits all over the ice. I came away very impressed that night.

The only problem with bringing an AHL coach is he can't do what Bylsma has done. Bylsma came from the AHL, so you'd think he would have given preference to the younger players he knows from the farm. Bylsma did the exact opposite once he was given the keys to NHL veterans. We can't have that anymore.

The new coach needs to WANT to develop the talent we have down on the farm, and on the way there. WE NEED younger talent to start keeping jobs in Pittsburgh. The cap demands it now.

Jag68Sid87 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2013, 09:48 PM
  #237
KIRK
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 47,800
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by IcedCapp View Post
DON'T TELL US WHAT WE WANT!!!

*takes a bite out of a stick of butter*
Switched from caffeine to cholesterol?

KIRK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2013, 09:49 PM
  #238
MrBurghundy
Never forget: #47
 
MrBurghundy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: GlassCase of Emotion
Country: United States
Posts: 20,940
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by mpp9 View Post
It'll certainly help. That line looked pretty average to me even with Sid working the corners well. And I'm on record saying Kunitz-Sid-Neal should dominate. Neal is just garbage this year at ES. Lazy ****ing hockey player.
Completely agree about Neal.

He's mailing it in right now 5v5. If he's not open for a one-timer, he doesn't give a **** about anything.

Right now, he's the definition of a one trick pony, and it's really frustrating to see since he can bring so much more.

MrBurghundy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2013, 09:49 PM
  #239
laufer72
Registered User
 
laufer72's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Country: Croatia
Posts: 2,177
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by KaylaJ View Post
I'm pretty sure Semin has hit more posts than some scoring leaders have points too. They're scary and without Fleury tonight we would've seen it a lot more.

And yeah, I give these teams credit too. The Canes look like they're having fun, the Panthers for all their injuries and troubles keep trying, the Penguins? The standings are nice, but we've seen how much that mattered in the playoffs. I don't know where they lost it or how, but of all things they're missing, I really wish they'd get their heart back.
That's exactly my thinking, With Therrien playoffs got progressively better, with DB, I hate to say, it got progressively worse.

laufer72 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2013, 09:50 PM
  #240
MtlPenFan
Registered User
 
MtlPenFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 14,316
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ogelthorpe View Post
I agree with this
And that brings me to another Shero rant.

I get that EVERY team is looking for talent at wing, and with our salary structure, it's a little tougher for us than it is for other teams.

So you know what you do? You spend that extra 500K here, that extra 750K there on your 3rd and 4th liners. Get PROTOTYPICAL 3rd and 4th liners, not the cheapest guys available or guys you're loyal to because of what happened a few years ago.

How fun would a Tootoo and Vitale 4th line be right now? Or getting a Brandon Prust to play on a line with Cooke and Sutter on that third line?

But no, we keep signing the cheapest guys available JUST IN CASE the most perfect winger becomes available, the stars align, and we're able to sign him.

The lockout soured me so much that I wasn't keeping as close an eye on salaries as I usually do, but please tell me glass making $1.1M dollars a year is a ****ing mistake?

MtlPenFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2013, 09:50 PM
  #241
KIRK
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 47,800
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBurgundy View Post
I don't disagree, but that wasn't the question I asked.
I don't know if you make a big move before a coaching change. Shero didn't do it that way in 2009.

KIRK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2013, 09:50 PM
  #242
malkovsby
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 440
vCash: 500
can someone jog my memory but in years prior wasnt our forecheck based off the mobility of our defence...our D would lead the rush and if the opposition went trap we could dump to our wingers with speed or chip and retrieve? it seems now we rely solely on the long bomb to a waiting winger who advances the puck from a standstill. this is killing any flow we have on the rush and plays into the defensive system of the other team, and often times we are outmanned on the puck the second it enters the Ozone..why is this? what the hell happened

malkovsby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2013, 09:50 PM
  #243
MrBurghundy
Never forget: #47
 
MrBurghundy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: GlassCase of Emotion
Country: United States
Posts: 20,940
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chancellor Vitale View Post
I'd rather have him right now on our 4th line than Adams or Glass.

MrBurghundy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2013, 09:52 PM
  #244
plaidchuck
Registered User
 
plaidchuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 5,527
vCash: 200
Quote:
Originally Posted by KIRK View Post
I don't know if you make a big move before a coaching change. Shero didn't do it that way in 2009.
Just saying this because Shero and Bylsma seem to have a big bromance going on.

plaidchuck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2013, 09:52 PM
  #245
#66
Registered User
 
#66's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Country: United States
Posts: 11,371
vCash: 500
I don't like the way this team is built, the system they play and just the entire aura around the Pens. I don't mind losses and no team is perfect but I HATE winning sloppy and losing badly.

To be honest I also question the leadership. There are a lot of Cup winners in that locker room. Do they really need a crack in the ass to start playing well?

Can't wait for this Montreal game...

#66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2013, 09:52 PM
  #246
MrBurghundy
Never forget: #47
 
MrBurghundy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: GlassCase of Emotion
Country: United States
Posts: 20,940
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by KIRK View Post
I don't know if you make a big move before a coaching change. Shero didn't do it that way in 2009.
This team clearly isn't as talented as most people want to believe, but it also isn't as bad as most people want to claim either. There is absolutely zero reason why we are losing the way we are losing. Hell, even sometimes when we win, it doesn't look that good.

You can't fire the whole team, but you can fire a coach.

MrBurghundy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2013, 09:54 PM
  #247
vodeni
Registered User
 
vodeni's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 7,160
vCash: 500
-Big minus allowing almost uncontested plays behind the goal, so soff
-this team cannot forecheck, is it size, is it a system, is it will and determination, I don't know but relying one off the rush magic will not cut it
-Martin was bad tonight
so were all other d-man
PP is pathetic, I don't care if we are no.1 in the league, this will not get us anywhere when things get tight.
PK is worse,
-total lack of ofensive skills beyond 87 and 71. The only way this team can score is t the throwing pucks at the net and hope for rebound (if not for Sid or Geno's creativity). I never see any penguin stickhandling puck and blowing by the opponent

vodeni is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2013, 09:55 PM
  #248
KIRK
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 47,800
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by plaidchuck View Post
Just saying this because Shero and Bylsma seem to have a big bromance going on.
I understand. And, if push comes to shove, I hope Shero sinks with him. If it's both or neither, then, right now, I vote neither.

KIRK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2013, 09:55 PM
  #249
plaidchuck
Registered User
 
plaidchuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 5,527
vCash: 200
Quote:
Originally Posted by KIRK View Post
I understand. And, if push comes to shove, I hope Shero sinks with him. If it's both or neither, then, right now, I vote neither.
Question is how much of a bromance the owners have with Shero?

plaidchuck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-28-2013, 09:57 PM
  #250
KIRK
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 47,800
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBurgundy View Post
This team clearly isn't as talented as most people want to believe, but it also isn't as bad as most people want to claim either. There is absolutely zero reason why we are losing the way we are losing. Hell, even sometimes when we win, it doesn't look that good.

You can't fire the whole team, but you can fire a coach.
Thing is, I think with another coach you can take a second look at the team and see just how much really does need to be changed and how much can be addressed by coaching. I think that's why Shero made the coaching move before the personnel moves in 2009. Otherwise, as a GM, how do you know you aren't just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

KIRK is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:57 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2016 All Rights Reserved.