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02-28-2013, 11:12 PM
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I remember after Cooke was suspended after one of his dirtier plays, there was some form of message from Mario basically telling the team that there will be ramifications if they keep playing that way.

The Pens have had their balls cut off.

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02-28-2013, 11:14 PM
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I remember after Cooke was suspended after one of his dirtier plays, there was some form of message from Mario basically telling the team that there will be ramifications if they keep playing that way.

The Pens have had their balls cut off.
I SERIOUSLY doubt Mario is happy or satisfied with the way we play, or that he likes what he sees. I think that's nonsense.

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02-28-2013, 11:15 PM
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Pretty much this. Fleury, for all I knock him, is capable of making a team look much better than it is.

For the time being the Penguins are still leading the division. That give Shero time to see things play out. I'm not looking forward to the next 2-4 weeks on this board
Fleury did that last year, too. It's no coincidence the team looked so much worse with Johnson/Thiessen in net. Oddly enough, my eyes were opened to the glaring holes in this team coming out of the All-Star break last year and they've done absolutely nothing to address them.

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02-28-2013, 11:16 PM
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I remember after Cooke was suspended after one of his dirtier plays, there was some form of message from Mario basically telling the team that there will be ramifications if they keep playing that way.

The Pens have had their balls cut off.
What does that have to do with letting the other team cycle us to death and not cover the guy in front?

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02-28-2013, 11:17 PM
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I'm Florida at the moment. Should I devote any amount of interest to this team during my travels?

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02-28-2013, 11:19 PM
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I remember a pretty smart guy suggesting Burrish and Eager when they both went FA a couple years ago, but we don't need guys who can skate and hit everything that moves. We're too nice now.
I'm struggling to determine which bold line is more hyperbolic.

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02-28-2013, 11:20 PM
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IF the Pens make the playoffs are are one-and-done, and Shero doesn't fire Blysma, I'll join you on the fire Shero bandwagon.

But only then.
If the Pens are one and done and Shero does his cosmetic deadline deals bull**** again, then firing Bylsma shouldn't earn him a pass. It will, but it shouldn't.

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02-28-2013, 11:21 PM
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- I came back from a Midterm Managerial Accounting Exam expecting to watch a hockey game. Instead, I got the Pittsburgh Penguins Vagina Monologues.

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02-28-2013, 11:21 PM
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First we need more skill and have too many grinders and now apparently we don't have enough grinders and need some more tough plugs because now we're neutered?

Which is it? Can we stick to one narrative at least?

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02-28-2013, 11:21 PM
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I miss 2009... Such a good year. The future looked so much brighter back then...

If I knew the future back in 2009, I would have wanted somebody to kill me then.

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02-28-2013, 11:22 PM
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While I agree with all of that, those guys belong on the third and most of all the fourth lines. I see NOTHING wrong with Beau Bennett's game. Stick him next to Malkin and Neal. Give the line more creativity, another option to lug the puck, another player who can set Neal up, etc. etc. etc.

One way to salvage this season, in case we do NOT win the Stanley Cup (), is a fairly simple exercise. Stick Beau Bennett on Line 2 and leave him there. Stick Simon Despres either next to Kris Letang (he's earned it), or with one of Engelland or Bortuzzo, but LEAVE HIM IN THE BLOODY LINEUP.

If we do this, that's two less things to worry about for 2013-14. It's time we took a step back in terms of team expectations, and actually try to develop two very good, very important players moving forward. We need to stop with the Band-Aid solutions when we have solutions in-house. Let's start with Bennett and Despres, and let's practice some patience.

When was the last time this organization practiced any patience? When Staal and Malkin were rookies???
I see nothing wrong with BB's game. BUT, he's the wrong choice for Malkin and Neal for reasons that should be pretty obvious.

By the way, Therrien had a lot of patience with young players. Think about how he handled Letang and how Bylsma has handled Despres. I'm not saying Despres = Letang, but Therrien gave Letang a ton of rope. Heck, compare how he uses a young spark plug named Max Talbot to how Bylsma uses a young spark plug named Joe Vitale. So, to answer your question, the last time this organization had patience with young players was that went out the door with Therrien.

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02-28-2013, 11:22 PM
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Also just to add as a sidenote, there may also be a chance management writes this year off as a big mulligan due to The lockout

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I'm struggling to determine which bold line is more hyperbolic.
Hey, be nice!!!

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02-28-2013, 11:22 PM
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This team is stale, this team is stagnant, and this team lacks any kind of spark or pulse. It's been like this for over a season (or maybe even more) now. It's 100% on the management group to fix this. Whether that's the coach or the GM I really don't care at this point.
I agree for the most part. This team needs to be shaken up. 2-4 players need to be moved, coaches need to go.

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02-28-2013, 11:23 PM
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I see nothing wrong with BB's game. BUT, he's the wrong choice for Malkin and Neal for reasons that should be pretty obvious.
Obviously, it's not obvious to some people.

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I agree for the most part. This team needs to be shaken up. 2-4 players need to be moved, coaches need to go.
Well... I agree with all of that.

List of players I wouldn't be sad to never see play as a Penguin ever again:

Kennedy
Adams
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Engelland

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02-28-2013, 11:25 PM
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- I came back from a Midterm Managerial Accounting Exam expecting to watch a hockey game. Instead, I got the Pittsburgh Penguins Vagina Monologues.
You taped Bylsma's post game PC too?

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02-28-2013, 11:25 PM
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Bylsma is not going to get fired while we sit 2nd in the conference, nor should he be.

The time to fire Bylsma was the end of last year, but since Shero didn't do that, he's now basically stuck with him until the end of this season's playoffs, unless the team goes in a huge tailspin.

No matter how much it might seem justified you cannot fire a coach when the team is overall doing as well as it is.

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02-28-2013, 11:26 PM
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Obviously, it's not obvious to some people.
No, which is why I said should be.

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No, which is why I said should be.
Obviously.

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Our 4th line is almost comical how offensively inept they are. I think if they had 30 seconds zone time every single shift they'd still only score 5 goals per season.

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02-28-2013, 11:27 PM
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I meant to post this one here and not in the winger acquisition thread, so here goes cut/paste:

Our defenders make bad mistakes, sure, but our poor D has nothing to do with the D-men we have, nor had last year. Just go and ask Phoenix fans about Michalek or Anaheim fans wrt. Lovejoy.

It is because our defensive system is terrible, our breakouts 'support' giving up odd-man rushes; our forwards allow opposing teams to outnumber our D behind our cage, and our coaching mongrel consistently finds poor fits as regards pairings.... the latest example being the Niskanen-Letang pairing which I warned against since before the season started. It is being ABUSED physically, leading to them playing scared/soff/running around and leaking goals in front of Fleury (and Vokoun, like I said after the Florida game, he was not good, but not nearly culpable).

Our problems are system based - and other coaching related matters such as discipline, accountability, intestinal fortitude, desire etc. - much more so than they are due to a poor roster. Not that we cannot certainly use changes on that front mind, but if we had healthy fundamentals as a hockey team, and we patently do not and haven't for more than two years, lots of players would come to look better.

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02-28-2013, 11:27 PM
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not sure why everyone is so disgusted that we lost. Carolina has a vastly more talented forward roster than we do. If they play hard, they'll probably win. We just don't match up well with their speed and skill. When they work hard and go to the net, we'll have a hard time beating them, even with Geno in the lineup.
Thanks for the compliments. And I don't see any Pens fans before or after the game calling us a "garbage franchise" like a bunch of loser fans of a certain team that plays in a godforsaken swamp close to NY city.

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First we need more skill and have too many grinders and now apparently we don't have enough grinders and need some more tough plugs because now we're neutered?

Which is it? Can we stick to one narrative at least?
What we need is the anti-Tanner Glass. A more skilled player would work. A Steve MacIntyre or other enforcer would work. Two opposite ends of the spectrum. Both anti-Glass. Both would work.

A fourth line that does SOMETHING would be nice. We lost Jordan Staal's production on the third line, which means we also lost Tyler Kennedy as an NHL player. I don't know where Matt Cooke is 4 out of 5 games. And we have the least productive fourth line in the NHL. You can't win with this setup.

When Shero traded Jordan Staal, he forgot one thing: he built this team WITH Staal as a vital cog.

The whole thing doesn't work now when you take out that cog.

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02-28-2013, 11:28 PM
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Bylsma is not going to get fired while we sit 2nd in the conference, nor should he be.

The time to fire Bylsma was the end of last year, but since Shero didn't do that, he's now basically stuck with him until the end of this season's playoffs
, unless the team goes in a huge tailspin.

No matter how much it might seem justified you cannot fire a coach when the team is overall doing as well as it is.
Lou Lamoriello says 'hi'. Then again, he's a GM with balls who's fired his conference leading coach twice in the last 12 years on the grounds that he saw a playoff debacle coming. Once, his team won the cup as a result. The other time, they lost in round two (five one goal games) to the eastern conference champion. You know what? I'd take a hard fought second round loss right now, because it's a lot more than I expect to see from Bylsma when the playoffs come.

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