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03-09-2013, 02:58 PM
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ChuckWoods might be an legit insider, but trade proposals, objectivity and general understanding of player value aren't his strong suit.

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Or if we could draft that one D-Man from Portland, that would be pretty cool too
Yea obviously that would be the #1 choice. But I don't see us with a pick in the Top 3, or even Top 5 for that matter.

I think at worst we end up in the 5-9 range, but I think were more likely to be a 9-13 pick, possibly even later. I wouldn't rule out playoffs yet.

Depending on where we pick, I would be ok with any of these guys:

Jones
Nurse
Zadorov
Ristolainen
Morrisey

I think all of those guys(except maybe Morrisey) have #1 potential, and should eventually pan out as at least top pairing Dmen.

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03-09-2013, 03:09 PM
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I wish there was a way we could get a late 1st in this draft but unfortunately outside of our core players no one really has much value on the squad.

If we could grab grab a great player with out pick in the top 10 and then a guy like Gauthier, Erne, or Wennberg later on in the first that would be an amazing haul. Probably no way to make it happen.

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I wish there was a way we could get a late 1st in this draft but unfortunately outside of our core players no one really has much value on the squad.

If we could grab grab a great player with out pick in the top 10 and then a guy like Gauthier, Erne, or Wennberg later on in the first that would be an amazing haul. Probably no way to make it happen.
O'Byrne + 4th for a 2nd, maybe we get a couple sliders?

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03-09-2013, 04:01 PM
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O'Byrne + 4th for a 2nd, maybe we get a couple sliders?
I was also thinking Jones + 2nd for a 1st? Move up the 10-15 spots and grab a late 1st.

Or, there will probably be a few sliders that slide into the early 2nd, we should be able to grab one of them with our 2nd.

Obyrne and/or Kobasew could potentially grab and round picks at the deadline from desperate playoff contenders.

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03-09-2013, 04:04 PM
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I wish there was a way we could get a late 1st in this draft but unfortunately outside of our core players no one really has much value on the squad.

If we could grab grab a great player with out pick in the top 10 and then a guy like Gauthier, Erne, or Wennberg later on in the first that would be an amazing haul. Probably no way to make it happen.
Maybe O'Byrne, Kobasew, PJ's, Olver, our early 2nd, and 3rd can get us the 30th overall.

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03-09-2013, 04:06 PM
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I was also thinking Jones + 2nd for a 1st? Move up the 10-15 spots and grab a late 1st.

Or, there will probably be a few sliders that slide into the early 2nd, we should be able to grab one of them with our 2nd.

Obyrne and/or Kobasew could potentially grab and round picks at the deadline from desperate playoff contenders.
Historically, trading up from the second hasn't been as valuable as retaining the ~2 2nds you use.

I'd rather we get a high first and 2-3 second rounders than a couple firsts. Let's soak up some of this draft's depth and fill in organizational needs. Maybe grab a couple collegiate guys so we can sit on them for four years as opposed to two.

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03-09-2013, 04:09 PM
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Historically, trading up from the second hasn't been as valuable as retaining the ~2 2nds you use.

I'd rather we get a high first and 2-3 second rounders than a couple firsts. Let's soak up some of this draft's depth and fill in organizational needs. Maybe grab a couple collegiate guys so we can sit on them for four years as opposed to two.
This. IMO there isn't much difference ~15-60 in this draft. Not a lot of high end talent there, but real solid talent throughout.

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03-09-2013, 04:36 PM
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I wish there was a way we could get a late 1st in this draft but unfortunately outside of our core players no one really has much value on the squad.

If we could grab grab a great player with out pick in the top 10 and then a guy like Gauthier, Erne, or Wennberg later on in the first that would be an amazing haul. Probably no way to make it happen.
Well.. the Avs could trade down with their first pick and pick up another pick in the process.

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Eklund is saying Hejduk is being sought after by the Penguins.

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03-09-2013, 05:48 PM
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Eklund is saying Hejduk is being sought after by the Penguins.
Probably is. It's about a six and a half second conversation though.

"What's up with Hejduk?"

"Hedgie doesn't want to go anywhere sorry."

"Ok bye."

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03-09-2013, 05:49 PM
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Eklund is saying Hejduk is being sought after by the Penguins.
Hejduk only gets traded if Hejduk wants to be traded, and it should be to whatever team he decides he wants to play on. So bascially, Hejduk won't be traded.

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I would be really sad if Hejduk got traded. The last vestige of the powerhouse Avs...

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03-09-2013, 07:16 PM
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I always love the Hejduk rumors. It's like everyone ignores that Hejduk has said this is the only place he wants to play.

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I like the idea of Hejduk going out on the receiving end of Crosby's and Malkin's passes, making a Cup run, but the Penguins are dumb if they're interested. It's been a few years since Hejduk was capable of playing at that level.

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03-09-2013, 09:12 PM
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Dater seems pretty confident the Avs are gonna keep Stastny through next year.

Hoping he is right. I don't think we would like the return if Stas was moved, and having a #1C(Duchene) and 2 #2s(Borderline #1 in Stas) really is something the Avs can use to there advantage.

As Dater said in his tweet just then, when all 3 are firing on all cylinders they're almost impossible to beat, other teams just cant consistently control all 3 lines.


In a perfect world, we talk to ROR this summer, patch up the relationship, and sign him to a 5 year 27.5M Contract(5.5 AAV). Then we go to Stas and offer him something similar. And we offer Duchene the same thing. I truly am a believer that Duchene does not care for the money at all, and he just wants to play for his childhood team, I am quite confident that he would take a big paycut to help the team.

So we sign all 3 Centers to 5 years, 5.5M per each. That's a good cap hit for all of them, and it shows to them(specifically ROR and Stas) that they're all going to be treated equally and get equal ice time.


Then we go out and sign Streit, White, or Smid to a 3-4 year deal. They become our Top pairing Dman to play with EJ for the time being. Not an ideal partner, but good enough to allow our young Dmen to develop properly, and hopefully between one of Siemens, Elliott, Barrie, etc. we find that true top guy to play with EJ.

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03-09-2013, 09:55 PM
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I don't know what Dater's doing. A couple of days ago he reference's The Hockeyyy Insiderrr's reports that Stastny to the Leafs is "gaining traction" or whatever wording was used, and even adds in that it's "consistent with what he's hearing", or whatever exact words he used.

Now he's saying that he won't be moved? While he may be right, I don't doubt that teams will call on Stastny the closer we get to the Trade Deadline, especially with the C market being a "sellers market" the Avs should listen to offers.

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Eklund is saying Hejduk is being sought after by the Penguins.
Only if Hejduk is willing to move. I believe he has a NMC contract.

I can't imagine he would waive it since he's already won a cup.

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I don't know what Dater's doing.
In all likelihood, neither does he.

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then its you and me and everybody

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Hejduk will never wear another jersey.

If anyone is to be traded it is SOB, ROB, Bumwick, Elliott, Staz, Jones...

Dutch, PAP, ROR, Ginner, EJ, Duke, are not going anywhere, for a number of years.

I am fine to send Kobasew off for picks, he wont be productive again in his career. He is a good energy player that could help a playoff team in the east.

ROB is a solid guy, but makes dumb mistakes, if we can sell him off, then so be it.

SOB may be harder to let go of. He is an energetic guy, and always ready to jump into the action...Though I can do without his utter BS of stick-handling through the neutral zone – you aren't Crosby, nor are you a forward, stop acting like it you ******.

Hunwick is a helluva skater, and his point totals should be higher. I like him, but he is really, at best, a #5-6 d-man. If hunny is traded the return better be good to great. He is underrated.

If Staz goes, his return ought to be high. He is a great player for Colorado, and one of the top 25 centers in the NHL. Is he going to score 100 points? No, never. But he does the little things, and is always in the play. He makes space for his linemates. McGinn is clearly benefitting from Staz's creativity.

IDK what else to say. The Avs are at a high point now. If they play the Sharks on Sunday like they beat down the Hawks, then it could snowball into a playoff run. But I see them finding a way to lose, Pavelski will have 4 points, Marleau 2 goals, Couture and Thornton 3 points each and Boyle will get the game winner.

Go Avs Go.

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If Staz goes, his return ought to be high. He is a great player for Colorado, and one of the top 25 centers in the NHL. Is he going to score 100 points? No, never. But he does the little things, and is always in the play. He makes space for his linemates. McGinn is clearly benefitting from Staz's creativity.
Except that they don't play with each other 5 on 5, on the PP or PK.

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03-10-2013, 08:11 AM
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I really think this team will be okay in the long run cap wise. Next season the cap is at 64.3 million, which leaves the Avs at $12,751,667 in Cap space, with a roster of 20. There is still a lot of dead weight the Avs could shed to increase that cap space.

McGinn(1.75)-Duchene(3.5)-PAP(4.0)
Landeskog(3.75)-Stastny(6.6)-Jones(4.0)
___________-O'Reilly(5.0)-Downie(2.65)
McCleod(1.15)-Olver(0.6)-____________
Total: 33,000,000

Wilson(2.25)-Johnson(3.75)
Hejda(3.25)-Barrie(.9)
O'Brien(2.0)-Zanon(2.25)
Hunwick(1.6)
Total:16,000,000

Varly (2.83)
Jiggy (1.25)
Total: 4,080,000
Total Team Salary: 53,080,000
Cap Space: 11.22

The two blanks on forward can be filled by Mitchell and Bordeleau who hopefully the Avs re-sign. I'd bet combined they take ~2.5 million of cap space. Not sure Palushaj is worth re-signing. Which means the Avs can easily take on another ~4.5 million dollar contract, and still be okay going forward.


McGinn(2.875)-Duchene(6.0)-PAP(4.0)
Landeskog(5.5)-Stastny(5.5)-Jones(4.0)
___________-O'Reilly(5.5)-Downie(3.625)
McCleod(1.15)-________-____________
Total: 41,000,000

Wilson(2.25)-Johnson(3.75)
Hejda(3.25)-Barrie(2.55)
O'Brien(2.0)-_______

Total:13,800,000

Varly (4.0)
________
Total: 4,080,000
Total Team Salary: 58,080,000
Estimated Salary cap:68,000,000 randomly, conservatively estimated. See Freud Below.
Estimated Cap space: 9,920,000-9.0*=920,000

*(Mitchell+Bordeleau+forward~3.5,Dman~4.5,backup goalie~1=9.0)

Clowe was my salary comparable for Downie.
Pavelec/Schneider/Lehtonen (prior contract) were my comparable for Varly.
Stewart was my comparable for McGinn.
Duchene is being paid more than Tavares' deal.
Barrie gets a generous bridge deal that is similar to those signed by all borderline great defencemen.

So even if I underestimated the total Varly/Stastny/Duchene/Landeskog/O'Reilly total, there is still almost a million in wiggle room to increase who ever "needs" a higher cap hit. Which could theoretically boost two of O'Reilly/Staz/Landeskog to 6 million.

There is also a lot of other cap space to be had if need be. Jones 4.0 million, Hejda's 3.25 million, the phantom defenceman I signed to 4.5 million. That is 11.75 million in cap space between these three.

Long story short, there is no reason the Avs have to lose anyone off the current roster. Now whether they would be best served going this direction is another matter, but there shouldn't need to be any cap casualties. Sadly enough, that means David Jones will dodge a big amnesty bullet. As that roster stands it would basically be the current Avs team with additions of Downie, Defenceman (eg. Smid), and a whole lot more experience (Team motto?).

Obviously it is a lot of what-ifs in terms of what the cap will be, and who signs for what, but its just one scenario where this team can keep everyone, and add to the roster.


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Estimated Salary cap:68,000,000 (7 percent growth)
That's not correct. The $64M cap next year isn't related to revenue at all. It's just an arbitrary number.

The cap this year is $70,200,000 and there is every reason to believe revenues have increased. I think for the 14/15 season the cap will be at least $72M. As long as you manage the $64M cap next year, spending shouldn't be a problem.

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That's not correct. The $64M cap next year isn't related to revenue at all. It's just an arbitrary number.

The cap this year is $70,200,000 and there is every reason to believe revenues have increased. I think for the 14/15 season the cap will be at least $72M. As long as you manage the $64M cap next year, spending shouldn't be a problem.
Fair enough. Thanks for pointing that out. That makes the scenario even better. It basically means everyone can have their raises, plus adding another top-pairing defender, as long as the Avs don't put an internal cap on the team.

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