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03-04-2013, 03:30 PM
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Healthy thats the question .. He has undergone three major knee reconstructions for ACL damage.With a infection that led to a doctor in the Czech Republic suggesting amputation.. All three surgeries were to Michalek's right knee. The injury 2010 he had major ACL damage on left knee ..Now he is out again with "tweek" too left knee ..

Why are we keeping this guy if he has value trade him ..
...i should add - i dont necessarily object to trading him as long as its part of a larger package to get a higher end player.
he's not good enough to get us 2 top 6 player as someone suggested but throw a top prospect or #1 pick with him and that's a nice package.

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03-04-2013, 03:32 PM
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in addition he also killed penalties.

i'd like to hear exactly in what way is filpula better than michalek. bonus points if you don't mention michalek's knees.
Being a dual player C and LW
Better playoff performer
high FO%
Better 2 way player
Playmaker
3 line player
More upside

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03-04-2013, 03:33 PM
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Melnyk JUST came out when EK was injured and said money was no issue...
This. Melnyk just saved about 6.5M with insurance with Karlsson. Murray can play with that money and we can also expect the budget to increase as the rebuild progresses PLUS the added bonus of possibly playoff revenue in two seasons where it likely wasn't factored into the budget. I expect the budget to be closer to 60M by next year.

If they can work out a cap friendly deal with Nucks to get Ballard for something like Benoit + a depth forward I'd do it. I believe he has quite a bit of experience playing the right side. He'd look good in a #4 role. I'd still prefer to have Visnovsky or Streit on July 5th though.

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We really need a d-man who can carry the puck into the offensive zone, because ever since Karlsson went down, -none- of our d-men have been capable of doing it, and that's one thing Ballard is really known for. One of this team's main problems is zone entries, with them just ending up dumping and chasing half the time. If we had a d-man who could actually carry it in and set us up from the point, I'm pretty sure at least some of this team's offensive woes could be solved.

Even if Ballard doesn't have much experience on the right side, he's a CLEAR upgrade over Phillips and Wiercioch for the remainder of this season. Especially Phillips. So at the very least, one of them could be moved to the bottom pairing on their off-side, while Ballard plays 2nd pairing minutes behind Methot.

And then next year, Ballard could possibly be a Gonchar replacement if he can play the right side effectively.

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Being a dual player C and LW that's an extraordinarily thin reason to trade our best scorer.
Better playoff performer playing on an amazingly deep Detroit team, and MM's 1st 2 playoff appearances in SJ were pretty good.
high FO% irrelevant since MM is not a center
Better 2 way player i argue completely the opposite MM is far better offensively and better defensively.
Playmaker that's true, he a scorer not a playmaker - fortunately for us we need scorers
3 line player euphemism for not a top line player. you could play the far bigger, faster, grittier Michalek on the 3rd line too but why would you[/b]
More upside as in upside to become the player Michalek currently is?
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Being a dual player C and LW - who cares?
Better playoff performer - yeah he has better numbers so far i'll give you that.
high FO% - don't care. i'm looking for wingers.
Better 2 way player - debatable
Playmaker - i'd rather have a scorer
3 line player - milo can do that as well
More upside - debatable

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The older Filppula has more potential? To be what exactly? To score 25 goals if given top line minutes?

As for the rest, Milan plays RW/LW, is a better or bare minimum equal in the defensive game and a 4 line player, if that even matters. The only thing Filppula has on Michalek is health.

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The older Filppula has more potential? To be what exactly? To score 25 goals if given top line minutes?

As for the rest, Milan plays RW/LW, is a better or bare minimum equal in the defensive game and a 4 line player, if that even matters. The only thing Filppula has on Michalek is health.
Don't forget face-off prowess. That's important when comparing wingers to centers.

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03-04-2013, 04:04 PM
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Being a dual player C and LW
Better playoff performer
high FO%
Better 2 way player
Playmaker
3 line player
More upside
Milan has more assists per game than Filppula. Just because he's been put into the trigger man role in ottawa doesn't mean he can't distribute the puck. I'd still give Filppula the edge in that category, but its not a deal breaker.

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Don't forget face-off prowess. That's important when comparing wingers to centers.
You know the only way we can settle this is to get the corsi numbers. It's the only way, the ultimate evaluator.

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This. Melnyk just saved about 6.5M with insurance with Karlsson. Murray can play with that money and we can also expect the budget to increase as the rebuild progresses PLUS the added bonus of possibly playoff revenue in two seasons where it likely wasn't factored into the budget. I expect the budget to be closer to 60M by next year.

If they can work out a cap friendly deal with Nucks to get Ballard for something like Benoit + a depth forward I'd do it. I believe he has quite a bit of experience playing the right side. He'd look good in a #4 role. I'd still prefer to have Visnovsky or Streit on July 5th though.
Didnt they mention during a Senators broadcast that Melnyk would not be saving much money with the injuries this year. I cant remember the exact reason so if someone could clarify that would be swell.

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03-04-2013, 05:15 PM
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I still want Stastny.

Zibanejad - Spezza - Michalek
Turris - Stastny - God/Silfverberg

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Stastny is awful and horribly overpaid.

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Stastny is awful and horribly overpaid.
Awful?

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Overpaid but far from awful.

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Awful?
Average 2nd line centre

Not very good defensively

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lol at Stastny being 'awful'.

Bad contract? Yes.

Awful player? Not a chance

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Average 2nd line centre

Not very good defensively
Stastny is above average defensively.

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Stastny is above average defensively.
disagree.


Doesn't even come close to Turris at any rate, doesn't make sense to replace Turris with him.

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I never said that lol. You're just being a little extreme calling Stastny 'terrible'. He's having a down year but he's not exactly on a great team either.

In a hypothetical situation where we had Turris and Stastny I'd probably move Turris to the wing because he's got that fantastic shot and Stastny is a gifted playmaker who I think has better vision then Turris.

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03-04-2013, 05:47 PM
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Turris: GA per 60 min of ice time

2012-13: 1.10
2011-12: 1.82

or, 30 goals against in 77 games the last 2 seasons




Stastny: GA per 60 min of ice time

2012-13: 2.98
2011-12: 2.79

or, 70 goals against in 99 games the last 2 seasons





Yeah, I'm talking out of my ass

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So you're really in favour of subbing Turris for Stastny? Be honest
Stastny has had good production for a 2nd line C the past 2 years, and before that he was a little under a point per game. Dunno why you think he's terrible.

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I never said that lol. You're just being a little extreme calling Stastny 'terrible'. He's having a down year but he's not exactly on a great team either.

In a hypothetical situation where we had Turris and Stastny I'd probably move Turris to the wing because he's got that fantastic shot and Stastny is a gifted playmaker who I think has better vision then Turris.
Relative to his contract, Stastny is terrible. Not even close to being worth his contract, and the Sens already have 2 better centres. Makes no sense.

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Turris: GA per 60 min of ice time

2012-13: 1.10
2011-12: 1.82

or, 30 goals against in 77 games the last 2 seasons




Stastny: GA per 60 min of ice time

2012-13: 2.98
2011-12: 2.79

or, 70 goals against in 99 games the last 2 seasons





Yeah, I'm talking out of my ass
It's all well and fair showing that, but lets be honest, he probably fares the same as about half the entire Avs team doesn't he?

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Turris: GA per 60 min of ice time

2012-13: 1.10
2011-12: 1.82

or, 30 goals against in 77 games the last 2 seasons




Stastny: GA per 60 min of ice time

2012-13: 2.98
2011-12: 2.79

or, 70 goals against in 99 games the last 2 seasons





Yeah, I'm talking out of my ass
I never talked about Turris vs Stastny defensively...

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