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03-03-2013, 12:28 AM
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Curious... saw it in the Gaborik thread on the main board... Would you do Zibanejad+Bishop for Marian Gaborik?
If Gaborik was a bit younger and signed longer.

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03-03-2013, 12:32 AM
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First, we are not saying he is better than Turris. We are saying he comparable.

Let's look at the facts,

1: Spezza is injured until at least the playoffs.
2: If Turris is going to be the number 1 center, we need someone to fill the void he leaves as the number 2. Regin is not cutting it and Zibby is too young to be put into that situation.
3: Latendresse was penciled into a top 6 position. He could be out for the season. We do not know. Putting Condra or Daugavins as a top 6 is a bad idea. One of the best lines we have had this year is Greening/Zibanejad/Condra. Perfect for 3rd line.

You want to ignore the team Brassard is playing on as a factor to his numbers. You simply cannot do that. If the whole team is ******** the bed, then he would be too.

Next you compared his numbers to Turris. That is not fair either. If you want to compare his numbers to Turris, then do it when Turris played for Phoenix before he was given a shot in Ottawa. The numbers swing in Brassards favor.

As far as the surgery goes, That was 2008, it is 2013 now. He has played 79, 74, 74 games since. That is deemed a healthy player by most accounts.

Upper body injury does not mean he is having shoulder injuries or a concussion. It could be as simple as a back spasm or bruised ribs.

Bringing in a player would help the development of Zibby and Silf. Not hinder it. Especially Zibby. Rushing him could be very bad. GMBM has mentioned several times the plan for the kids is to bring them in bottom 6 minutes and let them get used to the speed and intensity of the game. Putting him on your top 6 and giving him PP1 minutes is a lot of pressure on the kid.
The reason I used 3 years of numbers for Brassard is to show he's older but hasn't progressed. Turris was much younger and has no real comparable in Phoenix except his 1st season 2010-11 where he scored 11 goals in 65 games at the age of 21 to Brassard's 17 goals in 74 games at the age of 23 but Brassard had already played a full 79 games the previous season where he only scored 9 goals despite having played parts of 2 other season in the NHL so he was in his 4th year in the NHL while Turris was in his 1st. I don't see where the numbers favour Brassard at all.

The line players Turris has aren't much better offensively than Brassard's right now. A rookie and an aging vet and they aren't getting much offensive support from our D since Karlsson went down. If they were better goal scorers Turris would have a lot more points for the offense he generates. In fact since Spezza went down its even a lot harder for Turris to get goals against low liners since he faces either the other team's top line of top checkers.

Look as a complementary piece Brassard might be ok but he's no savior so lets temper expectations. At times Foligno looked like he could do as much. He played pretty well at centre when they tried him there.

What this team needs is a sniper who can finish plays. I hate to see them use trade-able assets for an extra similar part. IMO, Brassard hasn't shown that he fits the sniper criteria. If he's a play maker who will he feed? They won't score for him either. For sure, I wouldn't gamble much to find out. If he can be had for spare parts like Daugs, Gonchar and/or some obscure low ranked pups then sure go for it. Why give up high picks and/or 2 good young pieces for a player who looks like some low scorers we already have. At least most of our guys are younger and there is hope that they'll get better. Lets keep our assets like Bishop, Da Costa etc.. for the pure complementary sniper.

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03-03-2013, 01:55 AM
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I don't see how Brassard wouldn't be an upgrade to Turris. He's produced against tough opposition before. He has been on pace for 45+ points every season except 09-10...while Turris has never even put up 30 points in the NHL. I'm aware they're at different points developmentally, but Brassard has been playing on arguably the worst franchise in the NHL with extremely bad linemates and coaches.

Brassard is also much more physical and willing to go into dirty areas than Turris, as well as being a proven winger if necessary.

Not only that but Brassard is still young and we could see him bloom in a similar way that Methot has done in Ottawa. People underestimate the affect it has on your confidence to play for an organization like Columbus.

For the price it would take Brassard is worth it.

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I wonder if Buffalo would be willing to trade Stafford to a divisional rival.

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I don't see how Brassard wouldn't be an upgrade to Turris. He's produced against tough opposition before. He has been on pace for 45+ points every season except 09-10...while Turris has never even put up 30 points in the NHL. I'm aware they're at different points developmentally, but Brassard has been playing on arguably the worst franchise in the NHL with extremely bad linemates and coaches.

Brassard is also much more physical and willing to go into dirty areas than Turris, as well as being a proven winger if necessary.

Not only that but Brassard is still young and we could see him bloom in a similar way that Methot has done in Ottawa. People underestimate the affect it has on your confidence to play for an organization like Columbus.

For the price it would take Brassard is worth it.
Brassard has gotten first line playing time/1PP with Rick Nash since his arrival.

Not to mention he is not the kind of physical, dirty area player you describe. He is one dimensional. Better off with Turris, in my opinion.

Also, Columbus is in need of scoring right now, so expect to pay a premium for Brassard.

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03-03-2013, 07:05 AM
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Would this deal work

Edm

Bishop

Ott

Eager
2nd RP

Eager will bring toughness and he can play..He won't hurt the team when hes on the ice like a Gratts would..

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Would this deal work

Edm

Bishop

Ott

Eager
2nd RP

Eager will bring toughness and he can play..He won't hurt the team when hes on the ice like a Gratts would..
Hmm a local boy with a cup ring... would be cool to see him on a line with Neil grinding it up. However would he really be an upgrade over DD? Or anyone else in the bottom 6?

Would probably do

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2nd RP and 3rd RP

For Bishop

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03-03-2013, 09:29 AM
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Hmm a local boy with a cup ring... would be cool to see him on a line with Neil grinding it up. However would he really be an upgrade over DD? Or anyone else in the bottom 6?

Would probably do

Eager
2nd RP and 3rd RP

For Bishop
I like Ben Eager. My only problem is the amount of stupid and SELFISH penalties he takes. Also, he's not the best fighter either.

He brings loads of energy and can really skate though.

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03-03-2013, 09:34 AM
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Another bottom sixer that can't score? Are you guys serious?

I like the gaborik idea. Anyone who has the ability to score a goal from time to time would be a welcomed addition. If it only cost us zib and bish I'd say pull the trigger

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devin setoguchi for 2nd 2014

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No reason to deal Bishop in a trade that doesn't address any team needs.

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03-03-2013, 11:21 AM
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No reason to deal Bishop in a trade that doesn't address any team needs.
Bishop + To Edmonton for MPS

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03-03-2013, 11:22 AM
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devin setoguchi for 2nd 2014
Exactly the type of trade I see us making.

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Exactly the type of trade I see us making.
This isn't NHL 13, 2nd round picks are actually good...

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Odds on signing Perry in the off season?

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This isn't NHL 13, 2nd round picks are actually good...
Setoguchi has scored at above a 40 pt pace every year since his rookie year, I think he could easily be a 25-25 guy in our system. I fully recognize the value of a 2nd rounder. I think it's you who might have some confusion.

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Setoguchi has scored at above a 40 pt pace every year since his rookie year, I think he could easily be a 25-25 guy in our system. I fully recognize the value of a 2nd rounder. I think it's you who might have some confusion.
Personally i think a 2nd rounder wont get it done.

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03-03-2013, 11:43 AM
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Personally i think a 2nd rounder wont get it done.
You very well may be right. The only thing Minnesota needs less than a 2nd round pick is a 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th or 7th round pick.

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Odds on signing Perry in the off season?
Very slim.

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Columbus has to improve and you have to think Ottawa is looking at their 1st rounder and the depth we have.

CLB: Bishop, De Costa, 0'Brien
OTT: LAK 1st 2013 (20-25 overall)

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Columbus has to improve and you have to think Ottawa is looking at their 1st rounder and the depth we have.

CLB: Bishop, De Costa, 0'Brien
OTT: LAK 1st 2013 (20-25 overall)
Paul Gaustad(center third/fourth liner) got a first on his own. Trading a potential starting goaltender, a decent prospect, and a solid fourth line center for one late first round pick seems a bit one sided. All depends on what Ottawa is doing as well. You don't trade players for picks if you are trying to make the playoffs/compete.

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Very slim.
I agree.

I bet he re-signs with Anaheim. They've been to the Cup finals twice and won once.

The area and weather are beautiful, and he can pretty well walk around like a regular human being in The OC as opposed to the microscope he'd be under here or any other Canadian city.

He'd have to pay more taxes.

Then there is the fact that the weather in Ottawa sucks and the team is nowhere close to contention.

He's going to get paid wherever he goes. Why would he sign here?

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isnt Seto injured goods sorta like Cheechoo?

I thought he has had some foot issues that make him slower now

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I agree.

I bet he re-signs with Anaheim. They've been to the Cup finals twice and won once.

The area and weather are beautiful, and he can pretty well walk around like a regular human being in The OC as opposed to the microscope he'd be under here or any other Canadian city.

He'd have to pay more taxes.

Then there is the fact that the weather in Ottawa sucks and the team is nowhere close to contention.

He's going to get paid wherever he goes. Why would he sign here?
with Perry this team is a contender imo or very very close

not sure if he will sign here though

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