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03-02-2013, 01:29 PM
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Well, I think the biggest factor in changing their mind is that they have different management in place since the summer.
"They have a new GM, so all the old BS that any sensible GM who knows what the org has can now be recycled!"

Yeah. No. Ain't gonna happen.

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Kings wouldn't want a center in return and wouldn't been eager to add a 3rd considering they already don't have a 1st. No good from LA's point of view

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Don't see how this addresses any of the Kings' needs, plus as others already mentioned, are the Jackets going to throw in the towel on Bobrovsky already? Although I do understand that was under previous management, it's tough to say how much they value another untested goalie as their starter.

I think Tampa Bay may be a better trading partner for the Kings given how they have no confidence in Lindback right now and Garon will not be the answer for them in net. Brett Connolly and the Lightning 1st would be the perfect return for Bernier.

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Don't see how this addresses any of the Kings' needs, plus as others already mentioned, are the Jackets going to throw in the towel on Bobrovsky already? Although I do understand that was under previous management, it's tough to say how much they value another untested goalie as their starter.

I think Tampa Bay may be a better trading partner for the Kings given how they have no confidence in Lindback right now and Garon will not be the answer for them in net. Brett Connolly and the Lightning 1st would be the perfect return for Bernier.
i would agree Tampa Bay would be a good spot and love that return. It seem to me i recall Bob Mackenzie saying on air that we were offered that at the deadline last year but it was before quick was signed long term and we had no one to replace bernier as a backup. ( ok bob said first and top prospect but it was later learned it was connely offered)

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i would agree Tampa Bay would be a good spot and love that return. It seem to me i recall Bob Mackenzie saying on air that we were offered that at the deadline last year but it was before quick was signed long term and we had no one to replace bernier as a backup. ( ok bob said first and top prospect but it was later learned it was connely offered)
And we should have taken that. We may still get a similar return, but that would have been ideal. Connolly is going to be a good player.

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03-04-2013, 02:27 PM
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I think Tampa Bay may be a better trading partner for the Kings given how they have no confidence in Lindback right now and Garon will not be the answer for them in net. Brett Connolly and the Lightning 1st would be the perfect return for Bernier.
No way the Bolts do that. A first and Connolly? Lol. We already paid up for Lindback and have Vasilevski in waiting. If we get another goalie at this point it would be an experienced filler for a season or two. Not another young unproven guy..

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This could work as a possible 3 way deal where Bus gets Bernier, Kings get a first from the other team and the other team gets Brassard+ from Bus.

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No way the Bolts do that. A first and Connolly? Lol. We already paid up for Lindback and have Vasilevski in waiting. If we get another goalie at this point it would be an experienced filler for a season or two. Not another young unproven guy..
If TB really has lost faith in Lindback, then he and his cap hit would have to come back in the deal.

Personally though I feel like Connolly has lost a lot of value and is maybe worth a third...otherwise they wouldn't deal him, they would just put him on a line with one of their many talented forwards like they did with Purcell. He's not a defenseman or goalie do why is his development so slow?

I originally am the one who proposed Connolly as trade for Bernier but that was a couple years ago. At that time we could have put him through 2 years of our development program in the AHL but now it's maybe too late.

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He's a center. We don't need anymore centers.

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No to Brassard. If we are giving away that much talent lets fill a hole with a proven winger. Plus Bernier has bailed us out lately. His value should be increasing in the NHL as it is increasing with us do to Quicks sub par play.

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Brassard has no value to the Kings. I'd rather keep it simple and have our 1st back for Bernier.

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Brassard has no value to the Kings. I'd rather keep it simple and have our 1st back for Bernier.
Jackets have no interest in that.

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Jackets have no interest in that.
Then there isn't a deal to be made. Lock it up!

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I originally am the one who proposed Connolly as trade for Bernier but that was a couple years ago. At that time we could have put him through 2 years of our development program in the AHL but now it's maybe too late.
Connolly has lost value? Have you seen his stats in the American league this year? He is currently the 5th leading scorer. If anything he has GAINED value this year. His value would of been all time low at the end of last season. Not now.

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when I scan the league(outside looking in) CLB seems like a team that needs a Goalie......Bobrovsky is not a bad stop gap but Mason is showing he's a backup at best.

Just think if anyone is going to get a new goalie it would be CLB for next yr anyway.

At the same time I could make the deal Nabokov and Bailey for Bernier and a pick and feel the same way :-)

Both Isles and CLB need a goalie next yr
The NYI would certainly trade Nabby and Bailey for Bernier. I would even add a prosect such as Matt Donovan to get it done.

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Then there isn't a deal to be made. Lock it up!
I think we have come to this conclusion many times, but somebody keeps making this proposal

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I think we have come to this conclusion many times, but somebody keeps making this proposal
yes we have Aparently this one was mada by a ranger fan according to his profile i dunno why he made it either

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my only issue is: Last summer, Colombus had the opportunity to acquire Bernier instead of Bobrovsky.

Why did they trade for Bobrovsky among all their options, and what happened since last summer that could make them change their mind and now acquire Bernier?
You do realize you have a new GM who not only might have changed his mind since last summer, but has a completely different mind than your previous GM?

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You do realize you have a new GM who not only might have changed his mind since last summer, but has a completely different mind than your previous GM?
Hopefully this GM is also smart enough to realize that Bernier isn't worth a first round pick-

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You do realize you have a new GM who not only might have changed his mind since last summer, but has a completely different mind than your previous GM?
...why in the hell does every single fanbase feel the need to play the "educate these stupid fans as to the nature of their franchise" card whenever we turn down a deal?

Shockingly, we are in fact aware of the hiring of Jarmo Kekkalainen. We still don't think it's a good idea.

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Columbus does in fact need a starting goaltender, yes.

Bernier is not a starting goaltender.

We've been through this "he might be a starter", "he's going to be a starter", "we're confident he will be a starter" mishegaas before. We're not getting fooled again.
How often do teams trade their starting goaltender? The idea is Bernier would be the #1 on at least 10 teams in the NHL, yours included.

Just because you have been burned before doesn't mean that Bernier wouldn't be a solid #1 for Columbus. That being said, I don't think the Kings would be interested in what is being offered here.

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Hopefully this GM is also smart enough to realize that Bernier isn't worth a first round pick-
You mean Columbus' pick.

He was drafted 1st round and has only improved.

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No way the Bolts do that. A first and Connolly? Lol. We already paid up for Lindback and have Vasilevski in waiting. If we get another goalie at this point it would be an experienced filler for a season or two. Not another young unproven guy..
Not picking on this post in particular, but don't you love how Bernier as an established NHL goalie has no guarantee of becoming a #1 goalie. Then the next thing that is said is we have so-and-so waiting in the wings if our current choice doesn't pan out, as if so-and-so has a better chance than Bernier of becoming a #1.

Bernier is not unproven.

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Not picking on this post in particular, but don't you love how Bernier as an established NHL goalie has no guarantee of becoming a #1 goalie. Then the next thing that is said is we have so-and-so waiting in the wings if our current choice doesn't pan out, as if so-and-so has a better chance than Bernier of becoming a #1.

Bernier is not unproven.
I think you missed the point of the post.. I meant we already have multiple unprovens including a pretty dang good one in Vasilevski who happens to be the #1 goaltending prospect (behind Maarkstrom) out there.. Yzerman isn't going to wage the farm on another unproven guy (Bernier has had limited experience all be it a pretty good record, as did Lindback in his) .. He would more likely get a guy like Jonas Hiller (no it won't happen) but you get what I mean.. Right?


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How often do teams trade their starting goaltender? The idea is Bernier would be the #1 on at least 10 teams in the NHL, yours included.

Just because you have been burned before doesn't mean that Bernier wouldn't be a solid #1 for Columbus. That being said, I don't think the Kings would be interested in what is being offered here.
To be honest, I don't think we can say that with any certainty. Personally, I think Bernier could become a #1 Goalie, but I'm not convinced yet. I would be wary of using a first round pick on a goaltender that hasn't established himself as an NHL starter. It's too risky in my opinion. He may be worth a first round pick, but I'm not convinced that he is enough of an upgrade over Bob and Mason to warrant trading that pick.

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