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MLB Mock Evaluation Part II: Best Bullpen

Which team has the lights out bullpen? Who's got the arms of strength to match up to the 86 Sox? Who will step up and become your team's Oil Can Boyd and Calvin Schiraldi?

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Edit: Also, when discussing your own team's bullpen, don't just mention the quality of your pitchers, but also your planned bullpen usage. (TLR, Jamesian, Littleian, etc.)

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I think I have the best bullpen out of the "Full" Pens
(Hand IP H/9 BB/9 K/9 HR/9 *ERA+)
Nathan: Right 72.3 6.0 2.9 11.1 0.4 292
Ryan: Left 87.0 6.6 3.6 12.6 0.4 210
Linebrink: Right 84.0 6.5 2.8 8.9 0.9 187
Gonzalez: Lefty 43.3 6.6 1.2 11.4 0.4 332
Those 4 will be my primary go to guys. Ryan, Linebrink, and Gonzalez will be tag-teaming the highest leverage innings (7th and 8th to get platoon advantage), and Nathan will be used as a "conventional" closer, but he will come out to get 4 or 5 outs if necessary. As you can see, those are some ridiculous preipherals and ERAs, and all 4 are under the age of 30. Out of the 4, Gonzalez has only had the half a year of dominance, so he while he will be used in high leverage situations, he will be LOOGYed as much as possible.

Tsao (who will be closing for the Rockies) this year will be pitching long relief/mopup for me. He's a youngster who's got good "stuff" and good K rates, but he needs to cut down his walks. Eventually he will start to pitch high-leverage innings, but since i have good depth, he will be pitching long relief and mopups.

Wakefield is the veteran knuckleballer everybody is very familiar with. He's biggest asset is his versatility: he can start and come out of the pen. If somebody misses a start when smoething feels funny, he can step in. If somebody gets hammered, he can come in and pitch and stop the bleeding. If everybody in the pen is just bloody tired and the team needs some innings, he can come in. He's pretty healthy, and knuckleballers can pitch forever under the right circumstances, so he'll still be around for a while. He can pitch. http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wakefti01.shtml

Daisuke Matsuzaka: If you haven't heard of him, then you clearly don't know baseball exists out side of North America. You've seen him at the Olympics, you've seen him pitch a 95 pitch complete game against the MLB all stars this year, and he's 25 years old. He's the premier Japanese young pitcher in the NPB. Those perpherals are just awesome, and he can come out of the pen as well as start.

http://www.japanesebaseball.com/play...?PlayerID=1104

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I vote me.
I'm goign to slap you.

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RP: Lidge
RP: Sheilds
RP: Donnelly
RP: Looper
RP: Torres
RP: Romero
RP: Riske


I like my bullpen and that's all that matters to me. Lidge is lights out in the 9th. Before that I've got inning eaters in Sheilds and Donnelly. (I hate one inning relievers, but there just aren't enough high quality multiple inning relievers in the majors these days.) Looper did a fine job as a closer, he'd do a fine job as a set up man. Past that I don't see how I'm any better or worse than the next guy. And if you're going 5 deep in a game, well then you've either got an extra inning special or you've got some problems. The rest of my guys all strike out at good rates, and Torres can give me long relief when Sheilds needs a rest. Best 1-2 punch I do not have, but overall depth I'm more than happy.

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RP: Lidge
RP: Sheilds
RP: Donnelly
RP: Looper
RP: Torres
RP: Romero
RP: Riske


I like my bullpen and that's all that matters to me. Lidge is lights out in the 9th. Before that I've got inning eaters in Sheilds and Donnelly. (I hate one inning relievers, but there just aren't enough high quality multiple inning relievers in the majors these days.) Looper did a fine job as a closer, he'd do a fine job as a set up man. Past that I don't see how I'm any better or worse than the next guy. And if you're going 5 deep in a game, well then you've either got an extra inning special or you've got some problems. The rest of my guys all strike out at good rates, and Torres can give me long relief when Sheilds needs a rest. Best 1-2 punch I do not have, but overall depth I'm more than happy.
1. Brad Lidge was godly last year. Should continue to be godly.

2. I don't like how you only have one lefty. Romero is about as consistent as FOTS's arguments.

Btw, I think "Lefty" is an awesome name for pitchers. It would be even better if the pitcher is right handed.

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1. Brad Lidge was godly last year. Should continue to be godly.

2. I don't like how you only have one lefty. Romero is about as consistent as FOTS's arguments.

Btw, I think "Lefty" is an awesome name for pitchers. It would be even better if the pitcher is right handed.
I'm not very concerned. The Angels won their division with no lefties in the pen, and I've got their best non-closer relievers, with a closer that is just as good. The top of the 'pen is more than good enough to face either side of the plate.

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I vote me.
I vote you grow up and stop with these malarkey posts before I think you're trolling.

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I vote you grow up and stop with these malarkey posts before I think you're trolling.
How am I trolling a post about a draft I took part in???

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How am I trolling a post about a draft I took part in???
If you knew what it truly meant to be trolling, you'd know. I'll help you out, when you make a post that contributes nothing and is meant to evoke a response, that's trolling. You've contributed nothing in these posts, and they're clearly meant to evoke a response.

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RP:Eric Gagne
RP:Troy Percival
RP:Eddie Guardado

Well I went with All Star game system and just have three established closers in my bullpen which makes it double tough. I figure to have Guardado pitch the 7th, Percival the eighth and finallly the best closer in the game Gagne in the ninth. If my pitchers get into some trouble I figure to have Percival and Guardado early in the game

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If you knew what it truly meant to be trolling, you'd know. I'll help you out, when you make a post that contributes nothing and is meant to evoke a response, that's trolling. You've contributed nothing in these posts, and they're clearly meant to evoke a response.
"Which team has the lights out bullpen?"

"I vote me."

Question posed, answer given. I mean, if this were multiple choice and my team wasnt one of the choices you MAY have a point, but since it's not...you don't .

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RP:Eric Gagne
RP:Troy Percival
RP:Eddie Guardado

Well I went with All Star game system and just have three established closers in my bullpen which makes it double tough. I figure to have Guardado pitch the 7th, Percival the eighth and finallly the best closer in the game Gagne in the ninth. If my pitchers get into some trouble I figure to have Percival and Guardado early in the game
You had those 3 veteran starter guys on top of your bench list... ?

You can get a 4th reliever by putting Derek Lowe in the pen (I think his career should be put to sleep, but that's something else), and perhaps using one of your starter guys as long relief.

(Btw, just to let you know, when we get to rotation evaluation, i'm going to absolutely HAMMER you on Derek Lowe. Just to give you a friendly heads up )

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RP:Eric Gagne
RP:Troy Percival
RP:Eddie Guardado

Well I went with All Star game system and just have three established closers in my bullpen which makes it double tough. I figure to have Guardado pitch the 7th, Percival the eighth and finallly the best closer in the game Gagne in the ninth. If my pitchers get into some trouble I figure to have Percival and Guardado early in the game
Ooh... forgot.

Percival isn't really all that useful. He hasn't cracked 60IP since 98, and his declining K rate and increasing Dinger rate should concern you. His *ERA+ is still decent though.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/percitr01.shtml

And Guardado has injury problems of some sort right now. Instead of everyday Eddie, he's become Every 5th day Eddie (I can't remember where i read that, but I thought it was funny)

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(Btw, just to let you know, when we get to rotation evaluation, i'm going to absolutely HAMMER you on Derek Lowe. Just to give you a friendly heads up )
He sure saved your butts in the playofffs though didn't he

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He sure saved your butts in the playofffs though didn't he
We woudl have won the division if we didn't have Derek Lowe.

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RP: Lidge
RP: Sheilds
RP: Donnelly
RP: Looper
RP: Torres
RP: Romero
RP: Riske


I like my bullpen and that's all that matters to me. Lidge is lights out in the 9th. Before that I've got inning eaters in Sheilds and Donnelly. (I hate one inning relievers, but there just aren't enough high quality multiple inning relievers in the majors these days.) Looper did a fine job as a closer, he'd do a fine job as a set up man. Past that I don't see how I'm any better or worse than the next guy. And if you're going 5 deep in a game, well then you've either got an extra inning special or you've got some problems. The rest of my guys all strike out at good rates, and Torres can give me long relief when Sheilds needs a rest. Best 1-2 punch I do not have, but overall depth I'm more than happy.
I'd vote for Dr.Love's bullpen as the best....

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I'd vote for Dr.Love's bullpen as the best....
I think his pen is better if you're going to take it and use it in a Jamesian fashion. Brad Lidge as the relief god that pitches ALL high leverage situations, and everybody else is more than capable of pitching longer too.

His reliever's ERA's are just as good as mine, and his have a definite IP advantage, but overall, my top 4 have better peripherals than his top 4, and I actually have two lefties, so my pen is definitly more suited for a TLR style deployment.

RElevant Info for his top 5 guys:
Lidge: 94.7 5.4 2.9 14.9 0.8 227
Shields: 105.3 8.3 3.4 9.3 0.5 138
Donnelly: 42.0 7.3 3.2 12.0 1.1 153
Looper: 83.3 9.3 1.7 6.5 0.5 158
Romero: 74.3 7.4 4.6 8.4 0.5 135

I think my guys match up pretty well against that don't you think Jared?

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We woudl have won the division if we didn't have Derek Lowe.
And that means? You still could've lost in the playoffs..and would've without him.

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We're going to wrap this thing up... We'll just give best bullpen to Dr Love because 2 people voted for him.

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