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[EDM/TOR] Mike Brown for EDM 4th '14 (3rd if EDM Reaches Playoffs)

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03-08-2013, 11:49 AM
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This raises another issue. IMO, hitting is a means to an end, not an end unto itself. It's a way to secure puck possession or neutralize an opposition player. Guys like Brown are bumper cars: banging into things without actually getting anywhere.

Also, as last night made clear, the reason Brown has so many opportunities to throw his weight around is that he's constantly chasing the puck.
Yeah, I've noted the constant puck chasing as well. He anticipates the game poorly, goes chasing, goes from one out of position to another due to over pursuit. He does chase some hits.

He did have a good shot block and a couple good forcheck hits on the endboards. I would say he made 3 helpful plays in the game. Maybe a handful, others can point out some. But he certainly struggles in own end as well and spends a lot of time there. This of course meaning that we can't put him out there to rile up skilled opponents unless we don't even care about game results.

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03-08-2013, 11:59 AM
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How did you get that from what I wrote?

Those guys are all legit Top 6 players with skills beyond hitting, though physicality is part of their game. When I talk about Brown and guys like him, it's pretty clear I'm not talking about them.
So why does it apply to a bottom 6 guy, if that's his actual job?

That's why he is a bottom 6, because he can't score if he could score he'd still be chasing.

Can't have it both ways, if Brown hitting lots means he's chasing the puck a lot then so is Lucic and company.

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03-08-2013, 12:02 PM
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This trade is already paying dividends - to the other team. Immediately after he dismantled Tootoo, Detroit went down and scored.

But I thought winning fights was supposed to energize the team? Silly me.

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03-08-2013, 12:12 PM
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This trade is already paying dividends - to the other team. Immediately after he dismantled Tootoo, Detroit went down and scored.

But I thought winning fights was supposed to energize the team? Silly me.
I'm tired of seeing this in this thread.

Obviously that's not a product of Brown that's a product of a sad sack of a team, get over it and looking for stupid reasons to hate on Brown.

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03-08-2013, 12:17 PM
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I'm not hating on Brown, it's not his fault Tambellini is the general manager.

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03-08-2013, 12:18 PM
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I'm tired of seeing this in this thread.

Obviously that's not a product of Brown that's a product of a sad sack of a team, get over it and looking for stupid reasons to hate on Brown.
I don't think anybody "hates" Brown.

More to the point as fans we might hate that this is the slim ration served to a fanbase starving for a competitive team and hoping for one that doesn't finish last every year.

This thread has been big because of the timing. Because the team is drowning, and this is the one action of the club to save souls, is whats causing the frustration on SS Titanic.

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03-08-2013, 12:25 PM
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So why does it apply to a bottom 6 guy, if that's his actual job?
That's my point: it's a dumb role.

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That's why he is a bottom 6, because he can't score if he could score he'd still be chasing.

Can't have it both ways, if Brown hitting lots means he's chasing the puck a lot then so is Lucic and company
This is a bit of a contradiction since there is a clear and acknowledged difference between top 6ers and guys like Brown in their ability to do something with the puck, including, one presumes, retrieve it using hits.

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03-08-2013, 12:26 PM
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I'm tired of seeing this in this thread.

Obviously that's not a product of Brown that's a product of a sad sack of a team, get over it and looking for stupid reasons to hate on Brown.
Nah, couldn't be that the narrative itself is false.

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03-08-2013, 12:28 PM
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I like Brown but he's a product of the many mistakes that Lowe/Tambo made with bringing in tough guys. Hordi, Stortini were horrible signings.

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03-08-2013, 12:37 PM
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I think the cause and effect that causes confusion is when the contribution of player is not properly isolated.

Brown may be a particular type of player elsehwere and look effective playing on a physical team with guys left and right that have his back and that are all playing a physical game.

Trouble is if you take a fish out of water and away from their school, what you sometimes have is that one fish flapping around on shore.

I kind of feel sorry for Brown. Because theres simply no way he can do here what the role was in Toronto.

For sure he'll be game for awhile and hopefully he's got great perseverence, but eventually he'll realize that on this club anything he does has little point to it. He's not a difference maker, on the right type of team he can make a contribution, but this is a guy speaking pig latin in a convent. There won't be many followers.

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03-08-2013, 12:57 PM
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For a 5 minute/game player, I like what Brown has brought. But that is all he is and is not turning this season around for us. Still, longer term, I wouldn't mind seeing him stick on the 4th line.

At least the pick will remain a 4th.

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03-08-2013, 02:42 PM
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For a 5 minute/game player, I like what Brown has brought. But that is all he is and is not turning this season around for us. Still, longer term, I wouldn't mind seeing him stick on the 4th line.

At least the pick will remain a 4th.
You do realize he played over 11 minutes in both games he's played for us, right?

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03-08-2013, 02:44 PM
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For a 5 minute/game player, I like what Brown has brought. But that is all he is and is not turning this season around for us. Still, longer term, I wouldn't mind seeing him stick on the 4th line.

At least the pick will remain a 4th.
This is the only was this team and its development crew can turn a 4th rounder into an NHL player.

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im pretty sure tamblowe said "we'll give you a conditional pick, 3rd round if we make the playoffs"

nonis "lol ok" hangs up phone "we just got edmontons 4th rounder

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03-08-2013, 02:52 PM
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Right. You base the whole pkg off of one fight. To bad he couldn't of snuck out of the box to score for the oilers. Oh right thats the other three lines. Deluisional fans tend to where blinders when it comes to the rest of the team.
The argument against having a player like Brown is that the team is bad enough without him. Adding another ****ty player for his "intangibles" isn't going to help, especially when said ****ty player is logging more than 10 minutes a night.

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03-08-2013, 02:59 PM
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The argument against having a player like Brown is that the team is bad enough without him. Adding another ****ty player for his "intangibles" isn't going to help, especially when said ****ty player is logging more than 10 minutes a night.
I agree he isn't a differance maker on the score sheet, but no 4th liner is. Hell neither are our 3rd liners. The reason I believe so many are defending Mike Brown, not so much the aquisition, is that there is nothing anyone can do about it except ask for Tambo's head.
But at least don't just cherry pick a players faults and not at least give kudo's for what they do well. Belanger is one of the most useless players on this team, yet I feel we need him for just the face offs, and that is sad. I bet alot more of these kinda of moves will happen again(history shows it) and are we going to have 1000 post threads for each one?

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I agree he isn't a differance maker on the score sheet, but no 4th liner is. Hell neither are our 3rd liners. The reason I believe so many are defending Mike Brown, not so much the aquisition, is that there is nothing anyone can do about it except ask for Tambo's head.
But at least don't just cherry pick a players faults and not at least give kudo's for what they do well. Belanger is one of the most useless players on this team, yet I feel we need him for just the face offs, and that is sad. I bet alot more of these kinda of moves will happen again(history shows it) and are we going to have 1000 post threads for each one?
Belanger is at least good at faceoffs and killing penalties. The things Brown does well IMO have no bearing on winning hockey games. And between his poor play in his own end (they were getting absolutely schooled by Detroit's nobodies last night) and the inevitable bad penalties, he'll end up costing the team more than he'll ever contribute. That's really all there is to it. What baffles me is the disconnect between the general sentiment that the Oilers bottom six is terrible and the general acceptance of this trade. Want a better bottom six? You need better players than Mike Brown in it.

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Belanger is at least good at faceoffs and killing penalties. The things Brown does well IMO have no bearing on winning hockey games. And between his poor play in his own end (they were getting absolutely schooled by Detroit's nobodies last night) and the inevitable bad penalties, he'll end up costing the team more than he'll ever contribute. That's really all there is to it. What baffles me is the disconnect between the general sentiment that the Oilers bottom six is terrible and the general acceptance of this trade. Want a better bottom six? You need better players than Mike Brown in it.
Holy crap, really? What an insightful comment! We also need better players than Petrell, Belanger, Smyth, Eager, etc occupying our bottom 6 as well!

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03-08-2013, 03:19 PM
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