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03-01-2013, 12:25 PM
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Mikhail Grigorenko remains top prospect for Buffalo Sabres



The Buffalo Sabres prospect pool is in a state of transition, with many of their top prospects, such as Mikhail Grigorenko and Marcus Foligno, now contributing to the NHL roster. Many of the Sabres other prospects, such as Andrey Makarov and Daniel Catenacci, are dominating their respective competition levels and appear poised to move on to the professional level next year. In general, the Sabres have good depth at every position, though they are deepest at center and on defense.



1. (1) Mikhail Grigorenko, C, 7.5C
Drafted 1st round, 12th overall, 2012

Even when Mikhail Grigorenko made the right move or said the right things, there was always an unusual amount of mystery surrounding the former Quebec Remparts star.… read more



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Interesting rankings to say the least. Kea gets drafted well in front of Nelson, is having a huge year, and somehow Nelson is a better prospect. Hmmmm....

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How is Grig not at least and 8? 8.0 C would make sense considering he could still drop to a 2nd 3rd line. They say that Grigs potential is at highests, in between a 1st and 2nd line center. Armia's new highest potential is a 2nd liner

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How is Grig not at least and 8? 8.0 C would make sense considering he could still drop to a 2nd 3rd line. They say that Grigs potential is at highests, in between a 1st and 2nd line center. Armia's new highest potential is a 2nd liner
Yeah, the ratings for Buffalo this season are pretty clearly bull. I don't think anyone in their right mind believes Armia/Grigorenko have ceilings of being complementary scoring players. Could they end up as that? Sure. But they each have the tools to be top line players.

ETA: Also, wtf @ "[McCabe's] greatest strength remains in the offensive zone." I'm pretty sure he was USA's go-to shutdown defender at the WJC's.


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Interesting rankings to say the least. Kea gets drafted well in front of Nelson, is having a huge year, and somehow Nelson is a better prospect. Hmmmm....
Despite what everyone likes to claim, Kea doesn't have a great season, he has a pretty average one. He is just "great" compared to his atrocious draft-year, but if you compare him with most other Forwards who are playing in their first year after being drafted, his season is pretty mediocre. Of course that doesn't mean that he doesn't have the chance to become a good NHL-player, he is certainly one of our rawer prospects and still has lots of time to develop. But right now his ranking in the 15-20 range is definitely reasonable.

I agree with your criticism of the general tone of the ratings though, but that seems to be something that HFBoards is doing for pretty much every team: Having the numbers rating too low so that pretty much everyone who isn't one of the hottest names in hockey at the moment ends up with a 7.5C or something like that... Even though a 8.5 D or something like that might've been more accurate.

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I ANYONE could accurately project how an NHL prospect is gonna turn out guys like Paul Gaustad wouldn't get a first round draft pick in a trade.

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Ignoring what they give the players as a grade, the list is pretty solid. I wouldn't have McCabe that high personally

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The rankings are pretty brutal when looking at similar players around the league. Armia should be an 8.5D or 8C since he has huge upside, same with Grigorenko. Girgensons is rated 6.5 only months after being a top 15 pick, if he were playing junior and putting up points he would be 7.5.

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Great list. But where is Luke Adam?

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Grigs was good tonight and had some nice chances. I think slowly but surely he will come into it.

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I'd still kill to have him work with Roberts in the offseason.

Or to send the whole team really.

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Great list. But where is Luke Adam?
Where he belongs: not on it. (Zinggggg.)
For real though, he's played too many NHL games to be considered a prospect. Also, everyone has realized that his shot is his only real NHL-caliber asset.

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I'd still kill to have him work with Roberts in the offseason.

Or to send the whole team really.
I think they can clean up his stride. There's a lot of wasted motion; he flares outward at the end of it.

Tonight was one of the best games he's played. He's still obviously not ready for this level, but I feel he was anticipating at close to NHL speed tonight, and he was rewarded with an assist. I think it's clear he has a good head for the game, he just needs physical development at this point.

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He has really great vision, and is an excellent passer.

Once he can start reacting and not thinking he'll be really good.

Gotta improve skating and get a little stronger too.

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I don't like calling players who are in an NHL line up every night "prospects", He is a NHL rookie

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I'd still kill to have him work with Roberts in the offseason.

Or to send the whole team really.
Rolston should look into doing this...If it's good enough for guys like stamkos and crosby and has seemingly helped hodgson a lot, I'm not sure what harm it would do the rest of the sabres

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Rolston should look into doing this...If it's good enough for guys like stamkos and crosby and has seemingly helped hodgson a lot, I'm not sure what harm it would do the rest of the sabres
I imagine it's not that easy. Probably more of an invite thing. I'm guessing he focuses on a small set of players, if not 1 or 2, at a time.

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The Sabres need the boot camp that the prospects did last year

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for what it's worth i really liked what i saw from grigs tonight. had/created several glorious opportunities and looked poised all game long. pleasepleasepleaseplease let him get one offseason with gary roberts. it did worlds of good for hodgson's game.

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I imagine it's not that easy. Probably more of an invite thing. I'm guessing he focuses on a small set of players, if not 1 or 2, at a time.
their are about 40 NHLers training with Roberts and probably more CHL/NCAA players aswell. I don't think it's a big deal for Grigs or anyone to go there, training is training.

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their are about 40 NHLers training with Roberts and probably more CHL/NCAA players aswell. I don't think it's a big deal for Grigs or anyone to go there, training is training.
In his program or training 1-on-1 with him?

I was under the impression that Stamkos and Hogdson got more direct training with hmi.

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In his program or training 1-on-1 with him?

I was under the impression that Stamkos and Hogdson got more direct training with hmi.
Oh, and I thought Gary had a few trainers along with him that work with the group as well as individual attention.

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In his program or training 1-on-1 with him?

I was under the impression that Stamkos and Hogdson got more direct training with hmi.
No it's not one on one, their are about 40 players and they are split up into 3 training sessions at different times. 10-15 players per session and they are monitored by Gary Roberts, Matt Nichol and another trainer or two, it's really high pace training and the competitiveness causes players to work harder, looking over your shoulder and seeing 60 goal guy Stamkos working his tail off makes you wanna kick it up a gear I would bet.



here is an idea of what it looks like, their are better video's
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Hey guys, Is Jake McCabe the real deal?


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