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Perry to Pittsburgh (if he doesn't want to re-sign w/ Ducks)
Wasn't it Dreger that said it'd be pretty tough for the Ducks to afford to keep Perry? He has more sources and information than we do.
Depends on how you define afford. Ducks can pay all they want relative to the cap, they have no problem there. Since the Getzlaf signing it's pretty obvious they won't give Perry more than their Capt. So if Perry is looking for $8.5+ then yeah, the Ducks "can't" afford him.
Is that so? Please, provide examples of elite wingers not clicking in Pittsburgh. I'm dying to see the list.
But you know what we have seen? The "chemistry" of the Pens first line rendered ineffective in the playoffs because of exactly what I outlined.
We don't know what Getzlaf's motivation was, or Perry's motivation is. Maybe Getzlaf made Anaheim pay through the teeth to entice him not to test FA, and Perry would take ~7 to play in a different situation. I'm confident the Pens would discuss the matter thoroughly beforehand.
The cap is not an overriding concern. It is going down for one year, not a steady descent, and we have disposable pieces who could be moved to make room without parting with any of the marquee names. If we get Perry and trade Orpik, Kunitz, and TK, are we a worse team? I doubt it.
Except that's not what would happen.
Curious to hear what you think of Shero, considering he went so hard after Parise at 7+ mil in the off-season. He seemed to think the 1st line could use a considerable upgrade.
It's been said and I agree, Pittsburgh needs another quality top six forward, a winger. Trading Kunitz for Perry and you still need another forward. Agree to disagree. I don't buy the fact an upgrade from Kunitz to Perry takes away from that need. You are still one short.
So, resigning Perry for 8-8.5 (which it will take based on the ridiculous money a lesser player in Getzlaf got), you have 43-44 million tied up in seven players for next year in a cap of 64 (Neal, Crosby, Perry, Letang, Fleury, Martin). That is 70% of your cap space and last time I checked, you needed more players.
I think alot of Shero. He has made some shrewd deals as far as trades. He knows what the value is of a player and doesn't get taken to the cleaners in deals at all. He went after Parise because a top six winger was a need. That was before he knew the cap would be coming down. If we had Parise, we would be in cap hell - worse shape than we are now. Sure, we would be on top of the East, but ...
No chance does he trade huge assets to Anaheim, pick, prospect and a Kunitz, for a two month rental in Perry. He knows now he won't be able to afford to keep him based on yesterday. Don't give me I don't know the motivation behind Getzlaf. Perry knows he is a better player than Getzlaf at this stage, if not equal. Players look at other player's contracts. Don't fool yourself.
Depends on how you define afford. Ducks can pay all they want relative to the cap, they have no problem there. Since the Getzlaf signing it's pretty obvious they won't give Perry more than their Capt. So if Perry is looking for $8.5+ then yeah, the Ducks "can't" afford him.
Especially since dredger rumored perry is commanding 9-10 mil per year. If that's the case he's surely to walk. One of the posters on our boards rumored it from dredger not me.
It's been said and I agree, Pittsburgh needs another quality top six forward, a winger. Trading Kunitz for Perry and you still need another forward. Agree to disagree. I don't buy the fact an upgrade from Kunitz to Perry takes away from that need. You are still one short.
Even though you only joined this year, I imagine you've been watching the Pens long enough to see what Sid could accomplish with Hossa on one side and Dupuis on the other during the '08 Cup run.
When Crosby a winger that good on one side, he can make due with (an improved) Dupuis on the other.
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So, resigning Perry for 8-8.5 (which it will take based on the ridiculous money a lesser player in Getzlaf got), you have 43-44 million tied up in seven players for next year in a cap of 64 (Neal, Crosby, Perry, Letang, Fleury, Martin). That is 70% of your cap space and last time I checked, you needed more players.
I'll just refer to the Ducks moderator on that one, haha.
And your math is off. Check those cap hits for '13-'14 again.
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I think alot of Shero. He has made some shrewd deals as far as trades. He knows what the value is of a player and doesn't get taken to the cleaners in deals at all. He went after Parise because a top six winger was a need. That was before he knew the cap would be coming down. If we had Parise, we would be in cap hell - worse shape than we are now. Sure, we would be on top of the East, but ...
He would be a pretty stupid GM if he hadn't planned for that very real possibility before pursuing Parise.
If the pens were able to offer Parise what they reportedly did (8.5+) and were also willing to give Staal 10yrs/60mil, then they can also give Perry around what Getzlaf received.
Depends on how you define afford. Ducks can pay all they want relative to the cap, they have no problem there. Since the Getzlaf signing it's pretty obvious they won't give Perry more than their Capt. So if Perry is looking for $8.5+ then yeah, the Ducks "can't" afford him.
Gottcha. If they were to sign him, isn't Bobby Ryan's contract up in a couple of years as well? That could be a huge factor.
What's everyone's opinion on keeping Perry for another cup run? I'd say a cup is worth it, however getting nothing for him will hurt the future of your team. Just ask NJ or Nashville.
Your model, trading for Perry is financially stupid and dumb for the future as well. Based on what Getzlaf got yesterday, a guy that really sucked last year; hasn't only put up two years over 80 points; 57 last year; no individual honors outside two all-star appearances, you can't imagine what Perry, who has a better resume to his credit will receive. Pittsburgh won't be able to afford to resign him.
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So, resigning Perry for 8-8.5 (which it will take based on the ridiculous money a lesser player in Getzlaf got), ...
No chance does he trade huge assets to Anaheim, pick, prospect and a Kunitz, for a two month rental in Perry. He knows now he won't be able to afford to keep him based on yesterday. Don't give me I don't know the motivation behind Getzlaf. Perry knows he is a better player than Getzlaf at this stage, if not equal. Players look at other player's contracts. Don't fool yourself.
So you are seriously butthurt that your perfect little scenario to get Perry to sign for $6M in PIT just went out the window due to the reality of the new CBA? Perry wasn't going anywhere for cheap except in your dream. That was never reality.
If the pens were able to offer Parise what they reportedly did (8.5+) and were also willing to give Staal 10yrs/60mil, then they can also give Perry around what Getzlaf received.
I think the only way Pens could take on Perry and sign him is if they were to include Letang or Orpik in a deal. Both will be free agents at the end of next season. Letang can command as much as he wants.
That being said, Iginla and a gritty 3rd liner makes more sense than what they'd lose to get Perry.
Gottcha. If they were to sign him, isn't Bobby Ryan's contract up in a couple of years as well? That could be a huge factor.
What's everyone's opinion on keeping Perry for another cup run? I'd say a cup is worth it, however getting nothing for him will hurt the future of your team. Just ask NJ or Nashville.
As a management perspective I would look to acquire assets if we can't get perry signed before the deadline. The cup is NO guarantee regardless of a cup run. If we can have teams bid for Perry's services then great, we might be able to pull something nice out of a deal.
Perry for a 1st a prospect and a salary is fair. He wont get you much.
Plus he wont be traded, Ducks have an opportunity for the Cups and ita maybe their last chance in the couple next years.
You're nuts saying Letang is better than Perry..... And besides thats a dumb argument they play two entirely different positions where you cant argue a definitive comparison. Thats a foolish post on your part :sigh:
I think the only way Pens could take on Perry and sign him is if they were to include Letang or Orpik in a deal. Both will be free agents at the end of next season. Letang can command as much as he wants.
That being said, Iginla and a gritty 3rd liner makes more sense than what they'd lose to get Perry.
Pens are currently 8+ mil under this years cap. They have no serious FAs to sign going into next season and several non-trivial contracts that could be removed in one way or another and not be detrimental to the on ice product.
You're nuts saying Letang is better than Perry..... That's a foolish post on your part :sigh:
Letang and Perry are more so equals than one better than another. I always find it hard to compare a forward to a defenseman. Either one would start on your top line.
If Perry chooses not to re-sign with the Ducks, and the org decides it would be better to move him for a good return rather than keep him for one last run, here's my deal:
Perry
for
Kunitz, Maatta, 2013 1st
Pens get their big, elite RH RW. The Ducks get a great complementary scoring wing to help with a run this year (and signed through next), a quality two-way defense prospect, and a 1st in what's projected to be a deep draft at the top end.
Pens are currently 8+ mil under this years cap. They have no serious FAs to sign going into next season and several non-trivial contracts that could be removed in one way or another and not be detrimental to the on ice product.
Makes no sense for the Pens to give all that stuff up for a guy that they'd have about a 0% chance of re-signing.
Not that it would makes sense for Anaheim either.
Pens need to find a lesser and more affordable winger.
Why would they have zero chance of re-signing him?
People who think the Pens can't accommodate another big contract either haven't looked very closely at the numbers or haven't considered the expendable contracts we have on the roster. Sign Perry, move Kunitz, Orpik, Kennedy and replace them from within. Bingo. I mean, Shero went after both Suter and Parise this year, so he clearly seems to think its possible.
It would be tight, but it could be done.
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Letang and Perry are more so equals than one better than another. I always find it hard to compare a forward to a defenseman. Either one would start on your top line.
That's why I said his post was foolish. You can't argue and have a definitive comparison between a forward and a defenseman.
Why would they have zero chance of re-signing him?
People who think the Pens can't accommodate another big contract either haven't looked very closely at the numbers or haven't considered the expendable contracts we have on the roster. Sign Perry, move Kunitz, Orpik, Kennedy and replace them from within. Bingo. I mean, Shero went after both Suter and Parise this year, so he clearly seems to think its possible.
It would be tight, but it could be done.
I'm not so sure Shero would just move Kunitz and Orpik. Perry could replace Kunitz but Orpik doesn't have a replacement just yet. Maybe Bortuzzo? Orpik isn't as physical for some reason anymore and that's what the Pens are missing right now. Isn't Dumoulin known to throw his body around?
a lesser player in Getzlaf?
