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03-10-2013, 05:23 AM
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It's incredible that some people in here don't understand that everything that little puke Marchand said was right.... Obviously he has his finger on the pulse of things a little more then some randoms on a chat board out there, but on this ridiculous board so many are anti-fighting or don't understand it's importance. Incredibly frustrating.

Picking up a guy like Prust went a VERY long way into turning this team around.

Hope he isn't hurt or this team could be in a lot of trouble fast.

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Is it possible they are looking at Brassard instead
I sure hope not.

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I sure hope not.
Yeah, not a big fan of going after Brassard unless we are getting a bargain.

He's already making over 3 mil, not a bad player but a low end top 6 guy who doesn't do a lot other than get 40-50 points. I'd rather go after Dubinsky Foligno or Tyutin if we are dealing with CBJ. All 3 bring an element we need to add of size/truculence/versatility.

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Why would the blue jackets trade Brassard, and why would the Habs want Brassard?

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Yeah, not a big fan of going after Brassard unless we are getting a bargain.

He's already making over 3 mil, not a bad player but a low end top 6 guy who doesn't do a lot other than get 40-50 points. I'd rather go after Dubinsky Foligno or Tyutin if we are dealing with CBJ. All 3 bring an element we need to add of size/truculence/versatility.
I love how truculence is now a word that all hockey fans use.

Why don't we define an obscure statistic called the truculence quotient?

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It's the new hockey buzz term that the talking heads use... Like "half boards" and "cerebral"

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I think M.B should look at Chris Thorburn. Last 6 games he played 5 min 16 of icetime and lately he is often scratched... He felt a bit out of favor in Winnipeg.

He is maybe not a '' legit '' Hw, but he won against Frazer Mclaren a couple of weeks ago and he can share duties with Prust against bigger opponent!

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It's the new hockey buzz term that the talking heads use... Like "half boards" and "cerebral"
cerebral is a hockey buzz word?

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I think M.B should look at Chris Thorburn. Last 6 games he played 5 min 16 of icetime and lately he is often scratched... He felt a bit out of favor in Winnipeg.

He is maybe not a '' legit '' Hw, but he won against Frazer Mclaren a couple of weeks ago and he can share duties with Prust against bigger opponent!
Thorburn is definitely an interesting player to pursue if we can't put our hands on Boll. Had some decent stats some years and can definitely throw'em like Carmen...

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Get Clowe, grab a legit HW for games where we will need him, and a solid, big crease clearing d man and this team is good to go.

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cerebral is a hockey buzz word?
Last 3 years use of the word versus the previous 75.

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If we play a physical game do we have to fight? As long as we are not intimidated...which I doubt will happen as we have a lot of fearless players. Do like White did last night, don't fight and let the other team draw the penalty.

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Get Clowe, grab a legit HW for games where we will need him, and a solid, big crease clearing d man and this team is good to go.
considering we played 26 games already and there's only 22 left, number of games we would need an enforcer is what, 3 ? 4 ?


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Whether you guys think we need one or not is not the question anymore. It's a matter of who, Renaud Lavoie said on the radio that Bergevin is actively shopping for one.

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Whether you guys think we need one or not is not the question anymore. It's a matter of who, Renaud Lavoie said on the radio that Bergevin is actively shopping for one.
We're gonna need one come the playoffs.. it's just a matter of fact.

Imagine we play the bruins and Prust is injured.. (or even if he's healthy).

We need another tough guy for sure. It would really help out.. then we would be OK going into the playoffs with White, Prust, Moen, etc. and whoever they add.

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considering we played 26 games already and there's only 22 left, number of games we would need an enforcer is what, 3 ? 4 ?
How many times do we play Boston Ottawa Buffalo Toronto?

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If we play a physical game do we have to fight? As long as we are not intimidated...which I doubt will happen as we have a lot of fearless players. Do like White did last night, don't fight and let the other team draw the penalty.
Yeah I say we get a big physical guy.. not necessarily a guy who is only good in fights but a big guy who can hit and will stick up for his teammates.

Adding a forward who is big and a big D, will really set us up for a nice playoff ride.

Our D is a bit too small/soft right now, obviously.

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How many times do we play Boston Ottawa Buffalo Toronto?
you can safely bet that if TO and OTT are still battling for a PO spot when we'll play them, they wont play like buffons much. Especially games closer to the end of the season.

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you can safely bet that if TO and OTT are still battling for a PO spot when we'll play them, they wont play like buffons much. Especially games closer to the end of the season.
Still think they'll have Neil Orr or McLaren dressed and they believe "truculence" is part of their success so they won't completely abandon it.

Adding an enforcer(say Boll) wouldn't necessarily be just for this year, Boll is signed until 13-14. If they trade for a good one they may extend him for 1-2 years.

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you can safely bet that if TO and OTT are still battling for a PO spot when we'll play them, they wont play like buffons much. Especially games closer to the end of the season.
I wish that you were correct.

I feel that the Leafs, Bruins and Sens believe that the way to beat Montreal is to goon it up.

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Still think they'll have Neil Orr or McLaren dressed and they believe "truculence" is part of their success so they won't completely abandon it.

Adding an enforcer(say Boll) wouldn't necessarily be just for this year, Boll is signed until 13-14. If they trade for a good one they may extend him for 1-2 years.
A guy like Boll and Thorburn are the only types of heavy weights I would go for. It will be a step backwards if we sacrifice the roster spot of a defensively savvy player just so that we have someone willing to fight.

This team is good because every line is responsible defensively and 3 of the 4 are dangerous offensively. As long as this team doesn't sacrifice what makes them the best team in the East for a heavy weight, the enforcer will be a step forward.

Boll, Thorburn, McLeod are all guys who have actually contributed more than just fighting, just what the habs could use

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I wonder what hurts some fans so much about getting a guy like Boll.

I mean. Come on. I can't believe that people who have watched the Habs and care about this team, even if only in the last decade, say that adding another guy capable of playing a tough brand of hockey is not needed. We've ALWAYS been beaten that way. In the playoffs, having a guy like Boll out there with Prust will prevent guys like Thornton and Lucic from abusing our guys and crossing the line too much.

Will they still play physical? Yes. But they're much less likely to chip and slash after the whistles. Every time we've beaten the Bruins in the last 15 years in the playoffs, we ended up losing the subsequent series by a fair margin. Didn't it cross your mind that if we want to make a good run in the playoffs without relying on Godly goaltending, we might need guys who, you know, are used to playing those kinds of game, and who will get right to the opponent's face if they cross the line out there?

Let's have a guy, besides Prust, who will take care of playing the chirping/dirty/slashing/rough game after the whistles and in the corners. If Moen and White join the party, well, we'll be in even better shape. But I don't want guys like Eller, Plekanec, Pacioretty and Subban losing their energy with guys like Thornton and Lucic. It's not their role.

By the way, I could've picked another team to make a point, but I chose the Bruins, because with all what's going on between those two things, you just know it'll come down to this sooner than later, once again.


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I wish that you were correct.

I feel that the Leafs, Bruins and Sens believe that the way to beat Montreal is to goon it up.
And it only works when the habs get sucked into their game. The last game against boston was a perfect example. They got into penalty trouble because they tried to intimidate the habs, and they just went on playing their game instead of getting sucked into the bruins game.

Against the leafs, Gorges faught a heavy weight, gallagher faught a guy wayyyy bigger than hime, Prust held his own against a giant... and that was what was embarassing. They stay away from that, this wouldn't be an issue.

but if the habs can play that game along with their own, they will be better. So getting a useful enforcer is always welcome... but guys like kassian, scott... MEH. How is that working for Buffalo?

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We're gonna need one come the playoffs.. it's just a matter of fact.

Imagine we play the bruins and Prust is injured.. (or even if he's healthy).

We need another tough guy for sure. It would really help out.. then we would be OK going into the playoffs with White, Prust, Moen, etc. and whoever they add.
The playoffs are where uni-dimensional facepunchers are the least effective. No coach worth his salt plays them unless he's out of better hockey players.

Its pretty much universal that the higher leverage a situation is, the more fighting goes down and the less enforcers play. So fights are pretty rare when the game is close in the third period in the regular season for example and likewise rare when your entire year is on the line in the playoffs. You simply can't afford to throw out a guy that is a low quality hockey player (which enforcers, almost to a man are) in the post season when there are better options on your bench.

So if you want to import toughness into the lineup for the post-season, it has to be someone that would qualify as one of your best 12 forwards. Essentially they'll need to be better than Moen or Armstrong as hockey players. And Moen and Armstrong are pretty decent hockey players for 4th liners, they might not be as tough as some people want but they are doing pretty well at moping up defensive minutes this year which puts the scoring lines in better position to do their thing.

LA and NJ illustrate this effect nicely. They had goons in their lineup for the regular season, but to gear up for a long playoff run they got the best AHLers in their system to fill out the depth roles rather than play guys like Westgarth, Boulton and Janssen.

This is the thing about the playoffs these days. Despite the narrative about toughness being so vital in the post-season, the reality is that successful teams make themselves "softer" and more talented in order to give themselves the best chance to win.

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And it only works when the habs get sucked into their game. The last game against boston was a perfect example. They got into penalty trouble because they tried to intimidate the habs, and they just went on playing their game instead of getting sucked into the bruins game.

Against the leafs, Gorges faught a heavy weight, gallagher faught a guy wayyyy bigger than hime, Prust held his own against a giant... and that was what was embarassing. They stay away from that, this wouldn't be an issue.

but if the habs can play that game along with their own, they will be better. So getting a useful enforcer is always welcome... but guys like kassian, scott... MEH. How is that working for Buffalo?
Montreal top 9>Buffalo top 9

That is the difference.

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