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03-06-2013, 11:42 PM
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To the Leafs: Z. Michalek, I. Cole, F. Tyutin, M. Vlasic

The Leafs have a ton of quality D:
Phaneuf, Gunnarsson, Kostka, Holzer, Gardiner, Liles, Komisarek, Fraser, Franson...what the Leafs really need is a steady defensieve guy to play with Phaneuf (ideally a RH shot, but there are so few of them). What would it take to get one of these guys?

Phaneuf-______

If you have any other suggestions, go ahead and mention them.

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I differ on my opinion regarding Leafs D a lot more then they do but I dont value Gunnar as highly as most, I think Kostka is a career minor leaguer who needs to head back to the Marlies, Komisarek is useless and merely a pressbox filler. Fraser, Holzer, Franson look like a good 3rd pairing plus 7th man; Rielly and Gardiner should be your young studs for next year who need to find steady veteran defenders to play with them.

Again, this view wont be shared by many, the 3rd pairing may even be too weak, but Liles, Phaneuf, Gunnar may garner some assets via trade, which could help position them better in the upcoming draft and for the immediate future.

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Ian Cole would be great. I'm not an advocate for trading Phaneuf, not with the way he's been playing.

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You can forget about Vlasic.

He and Burns are both untouchable.

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Above centremen and goaltending, I think finding Phaneuf a proper d-partner is probably the Leafs biggest need.

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We will replace our defense with depth (Gardiner, Finn, Rielly, Ranger) and trade off guys when we are ready: Komi/Liles

Our main focus is obtaining a number one centre but honestly, I'd prefer just trading for centre prospects that get over-looked and drafting our own. Not really wanting the Leafs to make any critical moves unless it is either an absolute steal for us, or it is a move that just makes the most sense and addresses a need without hampering us (JvR for Schenn esque)

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Yeah, we've already had a 'Vlasic to the Leafs' thread and it didn't end well.

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You can definitely have Ian, BUT...

We'd need another physical LHD coming back, we'd just trade him in a package for an upgrade

Since Phaneuf is too expensive for us, Gunnar not big and physical enough and you don't want to part with Gardiner I don't see a possible trade here

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is Ian Cole even a reliable defensive d man?

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You can definitely have Ian, BUT...

We'd need another physical LHD coming back, we'd just trade him in a package for an upgrade

Since Phaneuf is too expensive for us, Gunnar not big and physical enough and you don't want to part with Gardiner I don't see a possible trade here
I would think that Kulemin would be the guy going back in any trade between the Blues and Leafs. Just my opinion.

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is Ian Cole even a reliable defensive d man?
Yes.

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I differ on my opinion regarding Leafs D a lot more then they do but I dont value Gunnar as highly as most, I think Kostka is a career minor leaguer who needs to head back to the Marlies, Komisarek is useless and merely a pressbox filler. Fraser, Holzer, Franson look like a good 3rd pairing plus 7th man; Rielly and Gardiner should be your young studs for next year who need to find steady veteran defenders to play with them.

Again, this view wont be shared by many, the 3rd pairing may even be too weak, but Liles, Phaneuf, Gunnar may garner some assets via trade, which could help position them better in the upcoming draft and for the immediate future.
Outside of Liles and Komi, I'm not in a hurry to trade anybody. I rather bring Gardiner up eventually and just let these guys all get more used to one another. Worse comes to worse, we can try Gunnarson with Phaneuf again as they played well together through parts of last year. I also don't see any reason to pull the plug on Kostka who has certainly pulled his weight. I'm not even disappointed in Liles or Komi this season, it's just somebody has to go to make room for Gardiner. If we are going to spend assets, though, I hope it is on a #1 centre.

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Should have signed Roszival for peanuts

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I think Kostka is a career minor leaguer who needs to head back to the Marlies
Yeah probably not. Check out this handy little graph http://somekindofninja.com/nhl/usage...Update+Results

He starts in the offensive zone only 44% of the time, plays the 3rd toughest level of competition of all TOR's defenders, and still comes away with a positive Corsi. Is he top 4? Eh. Is he a serviceable NHL defenseman? Clearly.

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Komisarek is useless and merely a pressbox filler.
Nooope. Was our best defensemen early on before being inexplicably benched by Carlyle. Still a perfectly useful bottom pairing guy. His paycheque shouldn't discount his somewhat limited, but present, ability.

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Fraser, Holzer, Franson look like a good 3rd pairing plus 7th man
Fraser and Holzer I agree with (actually Holzer should be sent back to the minors asap, in my opinion), but Cody "7th defensemen" Franson is tied for 8th in scoring amongst defensemen, tied for 3rd in assists, and leads all defensemen in the NHL in points/60. Small sample size noted, but the kid wasn't a 7th defensemen last year, and he's not a 7th defensemen this year.

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Rielly and Gardiner should be your young studs for next year who need to find steady veteran defenders to play with them.
Hopefully.

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Again, this view wont be shared by many, the 3rd pairing may even be too weak, but Liles, Phaneuf, Gunnar may garner some assets via trade, which could help position them better in the upcoming draft and for the immediate future.
So we should trade our 27 year old #1 defensemen when our biggest need is top pairing defensemen?

Seems like a step backwards, if I'm being honest.

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is Ian Cole even a reliable defensive d man?
Yes, he is. He is a rookie and makes mistakes from time to time but his game is pretty good at all.

There were lots of doubters and even haters before the season started and he proved the most if them wrong

Most people feared he would take a lot of bad penalties and he'd be often out of position because of trying to take huge hits but that doesn't happen a lot, especially the latter.

He plays a simple but smart game and will be a stud IMO

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Yes, he is. He is a rookie and makes mistakes from time to time but his game is pretty good at all.

There were lots of doubters and even haters before the season started and he proved the most if them wrong

Most people feared he would take a lot of bad penalties and he'd be often out of position because of trying to take huge hits but that doesn't happen a lot, especially the latter.

He plays a simple but smart game and will be a stud IMO
He sounds a lot like Matt Finn IMO.

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The guy this team needs is in NJ his name is Anton Volchenkov.

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I would think that Kulemin would be the guy going back in any trade between the Blues and Leafs. Just my opinion.
I heard this rumors too but than our D on the left side would be with Jackman, Russell and Redden....not going to happen

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Yes, he is. He is a rookie and makes mistakes from time to time but his game is pretty good at all.

There were lots of doubters and even haters before the season started and he proved the most if them wrong

Most people feared he would take a lot of bad penalties and he'd be often out of position because of trying to take huge hits but that doesn't happen a lot, especially the latter.

He plays a simple but smart game and will be a stud IMO
He has yet to show that he is anywhere close to being a "stud". Now you are just trying to oversell him. He hasn't been bad but he hasn't been great either. Semi-mediocre at best.

Plus Cole plays the left side, not the right.

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I differ on my opinion regarding Leafs D a lot more then they do but I dont value Gunnar as highly as most, I think Kostka is a career minor leaguer who needs to head back to the Marlies, Komisarek is useless and merely a pressbox filler. Fraser, Holzer, Franson look like a good 3rd pairing plus 7th man; Rielly and Gardiner should be your young studs for next year who need to find steady veteran defenders to play with them.

Again, this view wont be shared by many, the 3rd pairing may even be too weak, but Liles, Phaneuf, Gunnar may garner some assets via trade, which could help position them better in the upcoming draft and for the immediate future.
Somebody is highly out of touch with reality.

There is zero appetite for picks / prospects, or trading either of Phaneuf/Gunnarsson, as it's a lateral move at best, and if it's for picks/prospects, backwards. Fraser-Franson has been arguably the most effective 3rd pair in the league this year, so it's really a matter of finding that guy to round out the top 4 going forward with Phaneuf, Gunnarsson, and Gardiner/Rielly.

Liles should be available, as should Komisarek, Kostka, maybe Holzer, and prospects not named Rielly, along with forwards.

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He has yet to show that he is anywhere close to being a "stud". Now you are just trying to oversell him. He hasn't been bad but he hasn't been great either. Semi-mediocre at best.
Where or when did I say he IS a stud or he plays "great"?

I don't wanna oversell him, in fact I don't want to sell him at all, I just like him

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Somebody is highly out of touch with reality.

There is zero appetite for picks / prospects, or trading either of Phaneuf/Gunnarsson, as it's a lateral move at best, and if it's for picks/prospects, backwards. Fraser-Franson has been arguably the most effective 3rd pair in the league this year, so it's really a matter of finding that guy to round out the top 4 going forward with Phaneuf, Gunnarsson, and Gardiner/Rielly.

Liles should be available, as should Komisarek, Kostka, maybe Holzer, and prospects not named Rielly, along with forwards.
If he could be packaged for a Chris Stewart type I'd move Gunnar

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If he could be packaged for a Chris Stewart type I'd move Gunnar


Like the Leafs need another winger, their strongest position, at the cost of a bonafide top 4 defenceman, one of their weakest.

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Like the Leafs need another winger, their strongest position, at the cost of a bonafide top 4 defenceman, one of their weakest.
They will need a winger once Mac Leaves or Kuli.

One of them is gone before next season

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They will need a winger once Mac Leaves or Kuli.

One of them is gone before next season
No, they won't.

Under contract for next year, the Leafs have Kessel, Van Riemsdyk, Lupul, Frattin & Kulemin. Leo Komarov & Frazer McLaren are RFAs, so let's assume they get signed.

That leaves one vacancy, assuming you would return Jay McClement to being the 4th line C instead of getting somebody else to fill that role and using him as a shutdown line winger. Even if you're doing that, Chris Stewart isn't a shutdown line winger, and neither is anybody else in that lineup outside of Kulemin.

What the Leafs will need for next year (on the wing), is a replacement for Matt Frattin. Somebody who can star at the AHL level, is ideally on a 2-way waiver exempt contract, and can be called up in case of injury.

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