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03-07-2013, 02:48 PM
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The Volchenkov for Liles swap isn't bad at all, I actually really like it.

Volchenkov - Phaneuf would be a good match I think.
How about Volchenkov - Gardiner

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Grabo + Liles for a pending UFA and a depth defenseman?
Of course. would give us first crack at re-signing a toronto born player, and if not, would free-up a ton of cap space.

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The Volchenkov for Liles swap isn't bad at all, I actually really like it.

Volchenkov - Phaneuf would be a good match I think.
I'm not convinced he'd be an upgrade over our suite of 3-8 defenesemen.

He's only playing 16 minutes a game and as 1 point. Zidlicky on the other hand, even Andy Greene.... but Volchenkov? Nah. He isn't the player we all remember him being in Ottawa anymore.

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2013 1st Liles & prospect for Clarkson & Voly?

Solves 2/3 of our needs immediately

Leaving only #1C and the team is set...

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Clarkson for Grabo as well is an interesting swap, but doubt the devils touch it.

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JVR - Kadri - Clarkson
Kulemin - McClement - Frattin
Komarov - Steckle - Orr

Love the top 9 on that team.

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Of course a signed Clarkson he is an idea winger for the Leafs perfect fit for top 6 power forward role who can score, a lot!!

Dealing surplus forward recoups lost 1st so were the same as before aside from adding the 6 big winger we wanted..

I want a first this draft and maybe 2 and we assets to deal but getting Clarkson would be a very good trade and make the Leafs better immediately

He is 28 2 years younger than Clowe who would cost Mac...
I'd say the Devils have no interest in another Parise.

If Clarkson tells Lou he is interested in Toronto it would probably give the Devils the best return they are going to get for him.

Prospect and top 5 protected conditional 1st.

Condition Clarkson signs in Toronto.

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2013 1st Liles & prospect for Clarkson & Voly?

Solves 2/3 of our needs immediately

Leaving only #1C and the team is set...
I'm telling you it does not. Volchenkov is completely interchangeable with Holzer and Fraser right now.

Yes, we get Clarkson, but Voly isn't a top-4 answer on a playoff team. MAYBE a #4... just maybe.

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I'm not convinced he'd be an upgrade over our suite of 3-8 defenesemen.

He's only playing 16 minutes a game and as 1 point. Zidlicky on the other hand, even Andy Greene.... but Volchenkov? Nah. He isn't the player we all remember him being in Ottawa anymore.
Volchenkov excels in two departments still.

Shot blocking/getting in lanes - I would say when it comes to blocking shots, or positioning yourself to get rid of shooting lanes Volchenkov is with out a doubt in my mind, the best in the league at it.

1 on 1 battles - He still is one of the best in the league in 1 on 1 situations.

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2013 1st Liles & prospect for Clarkson & Voly?

Solves 2/3 of our needs immediately

Leaving only #1C and the team is set...
that adds like 10 mill in salary with still need a #1 C, top 3 d and probably a starting goalie

unless you can move contracts in another deal

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Volchenkov excels in two departments still.

Shot blocking/getting in lanes - I would say when it comes to blocking shots, or positioning yourself to get rid of shooting lanes Volchenkov is with out a doubt in my mind, the best in the league at it.

1 on 1 battles - He still is one of the best in the league in 1 on 1 situations.
Devils think he's a PK specialist today.

He's third pairing defender otherwise for them.

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that adds like 10 mill in salary with still need a #1 C, top 3 d and probably a starting goalie

unless you can move contracts in another deal
Getting a starting goalie better than Reimer isn't likely to happen.

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Volchenkov excels in two departments still.

Shot blocking/getting in lanes - I would say when it comes to blocking shots, or positioning yourself to get rid of shooting lanes Volchenkov is with out a doubt in my mind, the best in the league at it.

1 on 1 battles - He still is one of the best in the league in 1 on 1 situations.
I honestly haven't watched him in a couple years at least

does he still block as much as he use to?
is it that he just doesn't hit as much? and has been injured?

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that adds like 10 mill in salary with still need a #1 C, top 3 d and probably a starting goalie

unless you can move contracts in another deal
I'm not the one who posted the original proposal, or fully support it, but I disagree a bit.

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JVR - Kadri - Clarkson
Kulemin - McClement - Frattin
Komarov - Steckle/Zigomanis - Orr/McLaren

Is a playoff caliber forward group. Above avg. size for playoff teams, average to just above average playoff team depth, below average high end talent for a playoff team.

Volchenkov - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Gunnarsson
Fraser - Franson

For a playoff team, average depth, and can hold their own in a defensive system.

Reimer
Scrivens

Not exactly sure what Reimer will be like come playoff time.

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Leafs fans want to get rid of Komisarek but want Volchenkov?

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I honestly haven't watched him in a couple years at least

does he still block as much as he use to?
is it that he just doesn't hit as much? and has been injured?
From watching Volchenkov a bit, he doesn't hit as much or as hard as he use to. He is still a shut down guy, but more so from his positioning and 1 on 1 ability. Which again, I think is exactly what our top 4 needs improvements in.

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Leafs fans want to get rid of Komisarek but want Volchenkov?
I'm not sold on him. I'm all for Clarkson but Volchenkov? Nah.

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Leafs fans want to get rid of Komisarek but want Volchenkov?
Volchenkov was and maybe still is the best shot blocker in the NHL
Komisarek never was or will be the best at anything

Volchenkov is overpaid but he's the type of player you want on your team in a playoff battle

same for Clarkson

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Grabovski, MacArthur, Kostka, Liles, Komisarek, Blacker, Colborne - these are the guys I think we should include in a package for a top 6 winger/centre. If need be, even include Frattin to that list if we are talking about a Corey Perry or Duchene.

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Anyone else think:

Roy + Robidas for Grabovski + Gunnarsson

Would be a good return now and in the future.

I.e
Robidas a right handed Dman, sturdy vet to play with Dion. Holzer is then given the opportunity to take what he learned on top pairing and slot in with a familiar face. Jake Gardiner slides in as a LH Dman (Gunnarsson) departs. This plays right into Randy's D-structure.

Roy adds a more offensive flare, a change of scenery and opportunity to reinvent himself in the North-East. All while giving us the opportunity to Evaluate our current Centers and shed some salary going into next year.

Our lines can either be restructured to accommodate or we can go with a similar system.

I'd like to try:

JvR-Kadri-Kessel
Lupul-Roy-Frattin
Kulemin-Bozak-MacArthur
McClaren-McClement-Komarov

Phaneuf-Robidas
Gardiner-Holzer
Frasier-Franson

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I'd say the Devils have no interest in another Parise.

If Clarkson tells Lou he is interested in Toronto it would probably give the Devils the best return they are going to get for him.

Prospect and top 5 protected conditional 1st.

Condition Clarkson signs in Toronto.
I say we'd be giving them a pick similar to the one they gave Atlanta (the pick was a 1st in 1 of next four years, chosen by Jersey). I don't think we will be trading our first this year for anything short of Perry.

Clarkson would easily become a fan favourite in Toronto, especially with Kadri. Of course we'd need to shed some salary (aka trade Grabo and Liles, buyout Komi).

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Volchenkov doesn't block shots like he used to. He's 80th in the league in blocked shots. I don't know if his play is just slipping or it's the system he is in now in Jersey

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I'm not sold on him. I'm all for Clarkson but Volchenkov? Nah.
Devils playing him on their 3rd. pairing kind of tells you where he is now in his career.

Leafs don't need players on the downswing right now.

The Leafs are a rebuilding team.

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Devils playing him on their 3rd. pairing kind of tells you where he is now in his career.

Leafs don't need players on the downswing right now.

The Leafs are a rebuilding team.
... and sitting 2 pts out of the conference Lead. Funny how that works out get younger yet get better at the same time. Wonder what's the issue with this great Edmonton team and there 1st overall drafted players still in the bottom of the standings. Maybe they need more career AHL guys that seems to be popular in how Leaf players are viewed in particular Kostka, Frasor and Holzer.

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I really think that Clarkson would be a great Plan B to getting Perry. Also more realistic.

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Do you mean dealing a 1st. and prospect for a signed long term cap friendly Clarkson?

Might be.

No way does Nonis trade a 1st. and prospect for a rental for a rebuilding team.

Leafs aren't contenders.

How many remember http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/...r/Leetch,Brian

Has anyone stopped talking about how the Leafs lacked prospects when JFj was forced to try and make the playoffs?

Aren't you supposed to learn from past mistakes even if they were made when the team WAS A CONTENDER?
I remember the Leetch trade and man was he good in a leafs jersey, did any of the picks or prospects play a meaningful role in the NHL ever? Not saying you do that with this team but if what you are dealing is considered expendable due to your internal assesments you go with that.

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