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03-05-2013, 10:49 PM
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Serious question when was the last time someone in this organization was actually fired

Not "fired"

Renney's contract was not renewed technically not fired
Mactavish " Resigned"
Lowe got promoted
Quinn was given a new assignment not technically fired

Pendergast. ?

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We couldn't fire Howson because he quit.

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Stink, stank, stunk.

No purge coming. We have a collection of washed up and miscast players. About 6 guys worth keeping - plus maybe Klefbom as a legit prospect. They will need to make miracles happen by the deadline. I would be trying to move Horcoff, Hemsky, Whitney and Belanger for starters. Getting two NHL players back who are older than 25 would be nice. Tambo inspires no confidence though. Has he made a single bold move...signing Khabibulin - good grief. There has to be another Chiarelli hiding under a rock somewhere!

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You just watch the Canucks. That Hansen line that just scored with Raymond and Higgins would curbstomp and out gun any of our lines no problem. It's amazing how hard they all work.
Yeah can you imagine having to face Vancouver right now? That would be a beatdown for the ages.

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The best part of this game is when Foligno was in the corner on his ass, the puck was out at the end of his stick, and he still retained puck control against Petry. Story of your Edmonton Oiler's right there people. Can't even win a puck possession battle when the opponent in knocked down and we have the upper hand.

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03-05-2013, 10:55 PM
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Another strong game by Gagner.
21:46 TOI - leading all forwards.
Another point to push his team leading total to twenty.
The only center over .500 in the dot.
And the only guy with the ability to make the smart pass instead of the cute one.
In the second alone he set up Eberle, Whitney and Petry on passes nobody else on this team is making at the moment.
Small quibble but its 21 pts.

Heres a small detail that doesn't get noted. His control on the boards is much better. 80secs left in regulation and Oilers are hemmed in and possibly in trouble. Gagner makes a strong play on a puck on the boards, because of superior positioning perfectly seals off the bigger Bluejacket, and protects the puck along the boards with skate and allowing a team mate to pick it up and get it out of zone.

These are the little battles that Gagner is winning so many of tonight.

lol at the comments that the Play to MPS was a fluke. Gagners intent was getting the puck to MPS on the play.

I think people get too caught up in pretty plays to note what are effective plays. Great move by Gagner being able to skate that puck into lethal range with close checking and feeding the go ahead goal. Too bad he's playing on a club that quickly give up the tying goal when both D are wandering badly.

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03-05-2013, 10:56 PM
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I can't wait for the next Oil change.

After this game I'm sure Krueger sprinkled some fairy dust, showed the team a meaningless chart and said "good game boys!"

Will one more bottom five finish finally rid us of Kevin Lowe?

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03-05-2013, 10:57 PM
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yup, it sure is isn't it... if its yakupov instead of eberle, we win this game... guy with, by far, the best shot on the team and you don't play him in a situation where he will be all but guaranteed to use his one-timer??? lol, okaaaaaay
I don't know. I think that you have to play Eberle through this rough period and give him opportunities to re-find his mojo. Eberle's not the type of player to usually miss those chances--Is he?

Eberle also knows that a game takes place on the other side of the Redline, which Yak hasn't really learned well enough to this point, so I can't really disagree with Krueger here and how he's using Yakupov. You have to earn your ice time, playing responsibly. Eberle has earned that opportunity more than Yakupov has imo. That might change in a year from now, but to this point Yakupov has only played 22 NHL games to Eberle's 169. Personally, I think Eberle, moreso than Yakupov, has earned the right to play in clutch situations.

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Gagner deserves the C more than anyone on this team. Hall a close 2nd. The only 2 skilled players who actually give everything they have. Hemsky has to go. Size is needed in return, its not rocket science.

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03-05-2013, 10:58 PM
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So now he's using the Renney method of coaching. And 'round and 'round we go.
I think Renney's terms were, "We gotta let them slip on the banana peel a little" lol

These boys are pouring oil on the ground and slippin and slidin in it

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Small quibble but its 21 pts.

Heres a small detail that doesn't get noted. His control on the boards is much better. 80secs left in regulation and Oilers are hemmed in and possibly in trouble. Gagner makes a strong play on a puck on the boards, because of superior positioning perfectly seals off the bigger Bluejacket, and protects the puck along the boards with skate and allowing a team mate to pick it up and get it out of zone.

These are the little battles that Gagner is winning so many of tonight.

lol at the comments that the Play to MPS was a fluke. Gagners intent was getting the puck to MPS on the play.

I think people get too caught up in pretty plays to note what are effective plays. Great move by Gagner being able to skate that puck into lethal range with close checking and feeding the go ahead goal. Too bad he's playing on a club that quickly give up the tying goal when both D are wandering badly.
Imagine how good he is going to be at 25 26 27 8th 9th 10th season cagey young vet, but some in here wan't to unload him.

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This actually made me "LOL" Its sad but true..

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You must have missed Nugent-Hopkins putting on a clinic.

Gagner was terrible in the overtime. Falling down and turning the puck over twice.

The best chances Columbus had were off of his mistakes.

... and his assist was a complete joke. He lost the puck again and Paajarvi made a great play to score. Gagner's having a really good season, but keep it real.
This is exactly what I mean. Gags intended making that play, Maggie knew where the puck was going and it was right on his blade. Note there was no deflection, this is where Gagner put the puck. On the Columbus telecast they properly called it a great play by Gagner.

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You must have missed Nugent-Hopkins putting on a clinic.
Yeah he made two nice passes in overtime.
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Gagner was terrible in the overtime. Falling down and turning the puck over twice.
Hardly terrible.
Personally I'd never use him on the point - he belongs down low on the PP since he's one of about three guys willing to actually move the puck to the net.
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The best chances Columbus had were off of his mistakes.
If you're saying that with a straight face you didn't watch the game.

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... and his assist was a complete joke. He lost the puck again and Paajarvi made a great play to score.
Yes ... you nailed it. Taking the puck to the net with speed is the definition of a "complete joke" play.
Not to mention that on several replays it looked like he succeed in his attempt to tip the puck to MPS at the last second.
And yeah, it was a great play by MPS to hold his position and slam that home. The most encouraging goal I've seen from him so far this season.
He was excellent tonight. Not sure how I missed the injury you mention above.
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Gagner and MPS were the best forwards tonight. That's keeping it real.

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Maybe Renney was the right Coach to bring this team out of the basement.

The kids we're much more successful under him being sheltered then being thrown to the dogs under Krueger.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be first line but maybe they needed to slowly be developed through the lines. Whatever Ralph's doing right now isn't working.
I didn't have a problem with Renney playing veterans. I had a problem with him overplaying Smyth and Horcoff and burning them out and playing a bunch of other veterans like Belanger who didn't deserve to be playing.

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Small quibble but its 21 pts.

Heres a small detail that doesn't get noted. His control on the boards is much better. 80secs left in regulation and Oilers are hemmed in and possibly in trouble. Gagner makes a strong play on a puck on the boards, because of superior positioning perfectly seals off the bigger Bluejacket, and protects the puck along the boards with skate and allowing a team mate to pick it up and get it out of zone.

These are the little battles that Gagner is winning so many of tonight.

lol at the comments that the Play to MPS was a fluke. Gagners intent was getting the puck to MPS on the play.

I think people get too caught up in pretty plays to note what are effective plays. Great move by Gagner being able to skate that puck into lethal range with close checking and feeding the go ahead goal. Too bad he's playing on a club that quickly give up the tying goal when both D are wandering badly.
Speaking of which, how about Paajarvi? Kid actually showed some finish on that play, his confidence is coming around and we may soon have a player on our hands

I'm still not sure what management's plans with Gagner are going forward but he at least gives an honest effort whether he's producing or not, and we need players like that right now.

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You must have missed Nugent-Hopkins putting on a clinic.

Gagner was terrible in the overtime. Falling down and turning the puck over twice.

The best chances Columbus had were off of his mistakes.

... and his assist was a complete joke. He lost the puck again and Paajarvi made a great play to score. Gagner's having a really good season, but keep it real.
Yeah sorry Nuge will be great player but if Gagner was having type of season Nuge is having he would need an armed escort around town.

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This is exactly what I mean. Gags intended making that play, Maggie knew where the puck was going and it was right on his blade. Note there was no deflection, this is where Gagner put the puck. On the Columbus telecast they properly called it a great play by Gagner.
This is about as credible as the argument harpoon is making that Gagner is the only center that made a pass tonight.

Whatever, when I look at it, the puck slid off his stick.

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He got injured by a crosscheck in the 2nd period, and couldn't go out.

It was shown on TV several times.
No he didn't miss a shift.

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A few specific comments. Dubnyk with another horrible game. The 2nd columbus goal being a joke. Dubs gets flat out beat on a shot, it hits the post, then he flaps around like a dying salmon basically willing Jackets to finish. jebus how many posts did the Jackets hit tonight? Lets in 3 goals against a poor club but got beat several times. Piss poor in the SO tonight as well.

Next, somebody N Schultz as a *shutdown* D. Pretty sure this hoax is over. People in Minny probably still laughing at this deal. Nick right is pressing for the worst D on this club. Predictably was caught wandering (again, and countless times) behind the net. He's behind the goal line as the Jackets score. Neither D is in front of the net, Gagner is, but because both D swam right out of position as they so often do.

A few nights ago Gagner was being blamed because he stayed in his position as Petry skated behind the net allowing Hossa and Sharp to have a conference in front of the Oiler net. In 4 on 4 OT.

I'm sure Gagner is being blamed tonight for not having the slot covered...
Gagner is the last forward I'm going to complain about, but I think he was doing better in the face-off circle last season. Other than face-offs, he's been a great guy to have in our top six this year.

I never really complain about Nick Schultz because.. .well... he's better than Sutton, Strudwick, Stiaos, Peckham or Plante were. But you're right, he a top 4 d -man. That doesn't mean we need to feel bad about the Gilbert trade.

Gilbert is a top 4 d-man, but he wasn't in any sense the top 4 d-man we needed. He had size and was durable, but he never used his size. He was horrible at clearing the net and he made horrible decisions in the defensive zone. We've currently got enough puck movers in our top 4.

I'd also like to throw out there that our top six obviously doesn't know what to do with Petry. Petry rushes the puck very well and nothing ever comes of it unless Petry puts the puck in the net himself on the odd occasion.

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This is exactly what I mean. Gags intended making that play, Maggie knew where the puck was going and it was right on his blade. Note there was no deflection, this is where Gagner put the puck. On the Columbus telecast they properly called it a great play by Gagner.
A great one-handed pass by Gagner....If anyone has any doubt, the replay is available on the Oilers' website.

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Yeah he made two nice passes in overtime.
Hardly terrible.
Personally I'd never use him on the point - he belongs down low on the PP since he's one of about three guys willing to actually move the puck to the net.
If you're saying that with a straight face you didn't watch the game.

Yes ... you nailed it. Taking the puck to the net with speed is the definition of a "complete joke" play. Not to mention that on several replays it looked like he succeed in his attempt to tip the puck to MPS at the last second.
And yeah, it was a great play by MPS to hold his position and slam that home. The most encouraging goal I've seen from him so far this season. He was excellent tonight. Not sure how I missed the injury you mention above.
Gagner and MPS were the best forwards tonight. That's keeping it real.
How about the Whitney goal? That was a nice pass by RNH as well. His passing was on the $ tonight for the first time in what seems like an eternity.

J. Schultz should've been out there on the point.

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That was a beauty goal by Paajarvi and a good play by Gagner not to give up on that play. RNH had himself a very good game IMO and should at least get a HM.

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