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01-21-2016, 04:19 PM
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Ah, yes, I think I might know what the posters commenting about.... I remember watching games from MSG on TV in the mid-to-late 60's & the lighting didnt seem quite as bright as games that were broadcast from the Forum in Montreal; the Gardens in Toronto. Camera positioning probably had something to do with it as well. Perhaps Fenway would know what was what, the differences.... I wouldnt call it a "design flaw" with MSG or whatever though. Just a bit "different". No loss of quality in the broadcast itself & certainly nothing wrong with the building... With the introduction of color TV, all of the arenas had to upgrade their lighting systems big time. Rather amusingly Harold Ballard in Toronto refused to pay for it, insisting HNIC do so despite a league wide edict... got into it with HNIC Executive Producer Ralph Mellanby one night telling him he had to cover the costs, grabbed a fire axe off the wall in the studio at the Gardens (this was minutes before a game was to start) and threatened to chop into the tree trunk sized main cable that was lying on the floor in front of them unless he agreed to pay for the new lights, which Mellanby did, as no question, wasnt an idle threat.
ah yes, the 60's ... when we all had to trudge thru the snow, uphill, both ways, in our bare feet just to watch tiny little hockey players skating around inside that magical box. those were the good old days. kids nowadays have no idea how good they have it.

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ah yes, the 60's ... when we all had to trudge thru the snow, uphill, both ways, in our bare feet just to watch tiny little hockey players skating around inside that magical box. those were the good old days. kids nowadays have no idea how good they have it.
.... we only got 3 channels. 12" B&W Viking portable. neighbor got the 1st color tv I ever saw mid-60's but sure enough, I do remember watching games from MSG. Matinee's mostly, afternoon games... distinctly recall the odd camera placements and the lighting which was very "day like" if that makes any sense?.... very similar to the setups you see on tv from Europe even today. The ice surface at MSG seemed larger (because of the camera placements being up & back further than Mtl/Tor) while the lighting seemed diffused.... it was interesting, always good, entertaining... certainly didnt think it sub-par by any stretch. Just didnt have the same "intimacy" that you had with HNIC due to camera locations/angles.... Also wondered if perhaps the white ceiling they had/have at MSG may have contributed to the odd lighting, refracting as it did.... different with the Forum & Gardens, Boston Garden, Chicago Stadium & Detroit whereby the ceilings in those places were dark, unfinished. More of a stark & dramatic effect.

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.... we only got 3 channels. 12" B&W Viking portable. neighbor got the 1st color tv I ever saw mid-60's but sure enough, I do remember watching games from MSG. Matinee's mostly, afternoon games... distinctly recall the odd camera placements and the lighting which was very "day like" if that makes any sense?.... very similar to the setups you see on tv from Europe even today. The ice surface at MSG seemed larger (because of the camera placements being up & back further than Mtl/Tor) while the lighting seemed diffused.... it was interesting, always good, entertaining... certainly didnt think it sub-par by any stretch. Just didnt have the same "intimacy" that you had with HNIC due to camera locations/angles.... Also wondered if perhaps the white ceiling they had/have at MSG may have contributed to the odd lighting, refracting as it did.... different with the Forum & Gardens, Boston Garden, Chicago Stadium & Detroit whereby the ceilings in those places were dark, unfinished. More of a stark & dramatic effect.


i think we only got to see US games on a Buffalo station, and pre-cable, over-the-air reception was snowier than TO stations, so it always felt like a lesser quality but strangely more exciting broadcast overall. but a bag of chips was only a quarter and lola's a dime back then, so take my romantic memory for what it's worth.

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i think we only got to see US games on a Buffalo station, and pre-cable, over-the-air reception was snowier than TO stations, so it always felt like a lesser quality but strangely more exciting broadcast overall. but a bag of chips was only a quarter and lola's a dime back then, so take my romantic memory for what it's worth.
... ya, you wouldve had no problems picking up CFTO (CTV) & CBC out of Toronto; CHCH TV 11 in Hamilton... but rather finicky finding that steady signal from WKBW TV out of Buffalo.... a city which which always seemed to be on fire.. Irv Weinsteins lead story every night... 5 Alarm Fire in....
Bit of trivia here for New Yorkers.... back in the late 50's for 2 seasons... Monty Hall (a Canadian originally from Winnipeg), long time game show host
of Lets Make a Deal was the Studio Host for Rangers games.

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... ya, you wouldve had no problems picking up CFTO (CTV) & CBC out of Toronto; CHCH TV 11 in Hamilton... but rather finicky finding that steady signal from WKBW TV out of Buffalo.... a city which which always seemed to be on fire.. Irv Weinsteins lead story every night... 5 Alarm Fire in....
Bit of trivia here for New Yorkers.... back in the late 50's for 2 seasons... Monty Hall (a Canadian originally from Winnipeg), long time game show host
of Lets Make a Deal was the Studio Host for Rangers games.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/media/...ncer-1.5332842

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Given his relatively short term, Hall had some memorable moments in the old Garden.

He recalled a between-periods interview he did with coach Phil Watson early in that miserable ’59-60 season. “I said, ‘Phil, what’s up with the team?’ and he started in on each one of his players.’’’

Among his rants, he said of goalie Gump Worsley, “He drinks so much beer he can’t stand in that cage.’’

Said Hall: “When the next period started, I noticed he wasn’t behind the bench. [General manager] Muzz Patrick fired him between periods!.’’

Upon Watson’s death in 1991, Patrick told The New York Times that he had to fire his old roommate and friend not because he was losing but because he "sometimes talks too much."

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^^^ classic. not so funny for Watson though.

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... ya, you wouldve had no problems picking up CFTO (CTV) & CBC out of Toronto; CHCH TV 11 in Hamilton... but rather finicky finding that steady signal from WKBW TV out of Buffalo.... a city which which always seemed to be on fire.. Irv Weinsteins lead story every night... 5 Alarm Fire in....
Bit of trivia here for New Yorkers.... back in the late 50's for 2 seasons... Monty Hall (a Canadian originally from Winnipeg), long time game show host
of Lets Make a Deal was the Studio Host for Rangers games.
thanks for the way back machine "Talking proud" commercials we got over here with people holding up the 4 fingers 4 horsemen style....and good old Irv, many an evening I spent watching the news from across the lake...CFTO with Tom Gibney....thanks for the wayback Killion

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thanks for the way back machine "Talking proud" commercials we got over here with people holding up the 4 fingers 4 horsemen style....and good old Irv, many an evening I spent watching the news from across the lake...CFTO with Tom Gibney....thanks for the wayback Killion
Ya, Irv Weinstein was the anchor over there from like 1963~1998 . Long tenured. Retired to the San Diego area I believe. And of course the Commander Tom Show (Weatherman Tom Jolis) every afternoon from 1965-1993. Adventures of Superman (B&W - starring George Reeves who died rather mysteriously - great movie about it starring Ben Affleck & Adrien Brody called Hollywoodland, 2006) etc..... I cant recall whether it was that station or another that broadcast the odd Rangers game prior to 1970 when the Sabres arrived.


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Ya, Irv Weinstein was the anchor over there from like 1963~1998 . Long tenured. Retired to the San Diego area I believe. And of course the Commander Tom Show (Weatherman Tom Jolis) every afternoon from 1965-1993. Adventures of Superman (B&W - starring George Reeves who died rather mysteriously - great moviemovier about it starring Ben

Affleck & Adrien Brody called Hollywoodland, 2006) etc..... I cant recall whether it was that station or another that broadcast the odd Rangers game prior to 1970 when the Sabres arrived.
Yea I don't know....rember it was bills bisons and sabres complete with sabre dance music when I was around.....I would think geographic wise rangers were technically closer

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Ya, Irv Weinstein was the anchor over there from like 1963~1998 . Long tenured. Retired to the San Diego area I believe. And of course the Commander Tom Show (Weatherman Tom Jolis) every afternoon from 1965-1993. Adventures of Superman (B&W - starring George Reeves who died rather mysteriously - great movie about it starring Ben Affleck & Adrien Brody called Hollywoodland, 2006) etc..... I cant recall whether it was that station or another that broadcast the odd Rangers game prior to 1970 when the Sabres arrived.
Irv is alive and well and living in Irvine, CA

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a good childhood memory.

btw, the fires were always in North Tonawanda.

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Ya, Irv Weinstein was the anchor over there from like 1963~1998 . Long tenured. Retired to the San Diego area I believe. And of course the Commander Tom Show (Weatherman Tom Jolis) every afternoon from 1965-1993. Adventures of Superman (B&W - starring George Reeves who died rather mysteriously - great movie about it starring Ben Affleck & Adrien Brody called Hollywoodland, 2006) etc..... I cant recall whether it was that station or another that broadcast the odd Rangers game prior to 1970 when the Sabres arrived.
Jolls, not Jolis. Close though!

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^^^ classic. not so funny for Watson though.
Of course Watson wound up with the Bruins

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Jolls, not Jolis. Close though!
... ah yes, thanks, memory almost full, make mistakes.

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I know this is a super old thread, but as the Moynihan Station project continues to move forward and the fallout from the recent Penn Station meltdowns continue to brew, there was an interesting tweet this morning from a writer at Slate:


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I know this is a super old thread, but as the Moynihan Station project continues to move forward and the fallout from the recent Penn Station meltdowns continue to brew, there was an interesting tweet this morning from a writer at Slate:

This makes no sense to me, why would MSG/Rangers/Knicks want to move from "waterfront property" to second-block-away-from-waterfront property? And they just finished a $1B+ renovation like 4 years ago, they probably amortized that over 25+ years, and they're happy to move? say what?

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I suspect that happiness would probably involve a pretty remarkable payout from the city that would allow them to construct a pretty spectacular new building.

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I suspect that happiness would probably involve a pretty remarkable payout from the city that would allow them to construct a pretty spectacular new building.
"Pretty remarkable" is right, as in a couple billion dollars as in nobody is going to let the government hand over anything close to that to MSG

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Everyone who thinks MSG is moving to accommodate Penn Station is banking on a pipe dream. If the city/state tries to take it through eminent domain it will get tied up in court for years and that doesn't even get into the cost. If the city/state assessors try saying it is worth $1 less than what Dolan's people say it is worth, then that will get tied up in court.

This was an idea brought up by Christine Quinn while trying to get the Democrat nomination for the NYC Mayoral vote. She was crushed and talk of this was over. The idea of "returning Penn Station to it's former glory..." is ridiculous. Making it "nice" and a tourist destination is dumb. As someone who has been in Penn Station many times during rush hour, last thing you need is tourists and people hanging out there shopping.

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Everyone who thinks MSG is moving to accommodate Penn Station is banking on a pipe dream. If the city/state tries to take it through eminent domain it will get tied up in court for years and that doesn't even get into the cost. If the city/state assessors try saying it is worth $1 less than what Dolan's people say it is worth, then that will get tied up in court.

This was an idea brought up by Christine Quinn while trying to get the Democrat nomination for the NYC Mayoral vote. She was crushed and talk of this was over. The idea of "returning Penn Station to it's former glory..." is ridiculous. Making it "nice" and a tourist destination is dumb. As someone who has been in Penn Station many times during rush hour, last thing you need is tourists and people hanging out there shopping.
What about tourists coming in on Amtrak who'd like their first impression of NYC to be something other than a basement of MSG? As Dr. Vincent Scully famously wrote "One entered the city like a god. One scuttles in now like a rat."

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What about tourists coming in on Amtrak who'd like their first impression of NYC to be something other than a basement of MSG? As Dr. Vincent Scully famously wrote "One entered the city like a god. One scuttles in now like a rat."
1929 says high. Most tourists are flying in and if those coming in by train allow Penn Station to ruin their trip, it is on them. What is a NICE Penn Station going to change? When I arrive in an airport, I don't care if it is "nice" or a basement of an arena. All i want to do is get a cab and get to my hotel. How many billions of dollars should the city/state pay so tourists arriving by train have a better impression of Penn Station?

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This makes no sense to me, why would MSG/Rangers/Knicks want to move from "waterfront property" to second-block-away-from-waterfront property? And they just finished a $1B+ renovation like 4 years ago, they probably amortized that over 25+ years, and they're happy to move? say what?
The difference from being on Penn Station or right across the street from it (connected with a tunnel or two, I'd bet) is irrelevant to the Dolans. They've showed some openness to that before. However, they would need their costs covered and their tax break maintained at the new site (it's attached to the current building and site), otherwise it's see you in court. But if you want to move MSG, you can move MSG. Just gotta cough up a billion and a half bucks or so to build a brand new arena. That's always been an option, Quinn wanted to claim one of the most valuable pieces of real estate in New York without paying for it, and that was never gonna happen. But if you pay for it with a land swap and a few very large bags of cash, it's yours.

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Didn't they put this to bed by giving up the theater?

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Didn't they put this to bed by giving up the theater?
MSG & the State did come to an agreement.But like every 10 year plan it never stays the same, wouldn't be surprised to see that idiot Cuomo get kicked out of office by someone else with completely different plans

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MSG & the State did come to an agreement.But like every 10 year plan it never stays the same, wouldn't be surprised to see that idiot Cuomo get kicked out of office by someone else with completely different plans
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