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03-21-2013, 03:50 PM
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Also, to bring it full circle, your initial analogy is entirely false. They were at a work function and as such were representing their respective companies. I don't know where you work, but even mildly sexual jokes are frowned about pretty heavily in my company, especially at conferences where other companies are present. There's a huge difference between cracking a sexual joke at a public event in your free time versus cracking a sexual joke at a work event with lots of people surrounding you that you don't know.

And what would it matter if she wasn't involved in the joke? Plenty of sexual harassment claims have gone through, and rightfully so, due to people making sexual, obscene, and/or racist jokes in the workplace, even when they're not directing them at anyone or don't think they're doing it loud enough for other people to hear, as it creates a hostile environment. Same goes here, even if this pales in comparison to the severity of legitimate sexual harassment complaints.

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Maybe I'm old fashioned but what ever happened to turning around and saying "Hey, do you mind not talking during the event? I'm trying to listen" as opposed to your first action being going CIA spy hunter trying to get the authorities to act on these people who weren't even being leud. And now some people, also wrong and overreacting, are exacting the same type of harm on her. But it can't be settled with conversation for the guy who doesn't have a job because of what she did. The whole thing is sad and discouraging, no question about it, but I am most disgusted with the way she handled the situation because that's where it started. There are about 100 other ways she could have handled it, first and foremost not taking a picture of these guys without even confronting them about it.
So, because you thought she could've confronted them in a better way, you don't feel sorry for her getting fired and threatened? Riiiiiight.....

And, even so, lots of folks don't like public confrontations in any way, so her reporting them, even over a stupid joke, is understandable. She was just a bit oversensitive and the other people who had power in the situation overreacted in a huge way. She deserves none of the blame, and those two guys should've at most just been hushed at, either by her, other people nearby, or the event organizers. The event staff booting them and their employers firing them were entirely on them, and those actions are their fault alone.

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03-21-2013, 03:58 PM
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Well, I agree with you, the guys should have acted like adults and I have a pretty strict personal policy of not offending anyone at work. Most people do. These guys obviously didn't. So yes, that was wrong. Sorry I got a little riled about it, but two things I feel very strongly about, I mean, the fabric of my being: 1. Tell people how you feel and be honest, especially if something they are doing is bothering you. 2. Mind your own business, let people hang themselves if they are wrong. If you do number 1 and they can't respect that, then yeah, do whatever you feel you have to do to resolve the situation. People deserve to be talked to though, but I guess the fact this is a technology conference probably set it up for failure before it began.

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Well, I agree with you, the guys should have acted like adults and I have a pretty strict personal policy of not offending anyone at work. Most people do. These guys obviously didn't. So yes, that was wrong. Sorry I got a little riled about it, but two things I feel very strongly about, I mean, the fabric of my being: 1. Tell people how you feel and be honest, especially if something they are doing is bothering you. 2. Mind your own business, let people hang themselves if they are wrong. If you do number 1 and they can't respect that, then yeah, do whatever you feel you have to do to resolve the situation. People deserve to be talked to though, but I guess the fact this is a technology conference probably set it up for failure before it began.
And that's perfectly fine. She definitely needs thicker skin, and maybe the way she handled it wasn't the best, but the point I was making is people definitely should feel bad for her and the two other guys for this situation and angry at the event for booting people over nothing, the employers for firing people for such little cause (or to try to make internet trolls leave them alone), and the aforementioned trolls that are going after the woman and her company.

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If she hates sexual inuendos, why did she recently make a sexual reference on Twitter in a joking manner?

Boom.

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If she hates sexual inuendos, why did she recently make a sexual reference on Twitter in a joking manner?

Boom.
One's at a work function where sexual jokes are not allowed and cracking them while a speaker is talking is considered rude and the other isn't.

Boom?

Also, I'd hardly cite hypocrisy as reason to make threats at her and wanting her fired.

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03-21-2013, 05:18 PM
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The guys were wrong but on her side, to say nothing and report it in that manner is to say she wanted them to lose their jobs over it because that's what happened. Bring the authorities in as the first move and anything is possible.

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She lost her job.

That's justice. I know some disagree, but I think that she earned it.

Suck it, Adria. You lose.

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Yeah, I'm pretty shocked he got canned for that. Also seems like they did it pretty immediately, which was extra surprising. At most places I don't think that's more than a slap on the wrist, and few day suspension without pay at the most. To get fired over it though? Sheesh.
It's not clear if this was the only reason he got fired. It could be this guy was just a crappy employee, or the boss didn't like him, or he flubbed a huge project recently and this was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

Also, respect to the the guy for realizing when confronted about it that his comment was in the wrong place at the wrong time and leaving peacefully. His main issue was with the public shaming that he feels got him fired, which is a legit problem that PyCon officially changed their code of conduct for a few hours ago. All reports to the staff are now confidential, no disclosure of public information until after they've had a chance to deal with it.

Adria had a legit concern that she handled the wrong way (not the first time she's done that), but everyone else has been overreacting, especially the people involved in firing both her and the guy.

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no, what's really dumb is that grown ass people need to be treated like children because they can't handle jokes about the most basic of human function.

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no, what's really dumb is that grown ass people need to be treated like children because they can't handle jokes about the most basic of human function.
True, though I'd say that all the people that are raging out, threatening her, and called on her to get canned over this likewise need to stop throwing temper tantrums like children.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...g-8545741.html

This article contains a poll with options for who is most at fault for all of this. Adria Richards making the complaint is winning by a landslide, even over the company that fired the guy she complained about. And that's really surprising too because that selection should be, IMO "Adria for not addressing the men instead of taking the pictures and emailing the complaint"

Here's a comment from the original guy:

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As a result of the picture she took I was let go from my job today. Which sucks because I have 3 kids and I really liked that job.

She gave me no warning, she smiled while she snapped the pic and sealed my fate. Let this serve as a message to everyone, our actions and words, big or small, can have a serious impact.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/adria...#ixzz2OH7IFoMm

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Here is a blog from the other side, defending her, it's pretty sloppy and unprofessional though:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngu...ethought+Blogs)

But damn, check this out:

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Richards has been called practically every name under the sun. Some Twitter commenters demanded she kill herself. A 4chan user allegedly released Richards’s personal information. But few reactions were more disturbing than this one, sent to her Wednesday evening: a photo (blurred but still NSFW) of a bloody, beheaded woman, bound and stripped, with the caption “when Im done.” Next to it was a home address and phone number, ostensibly Richards’s.
Man there are some crazy people out there.

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Well, birthday weekend starts tonight at about 7 or 8. Going to get real ****** this weekend.

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I haven't been off the couch or out of bed for more then ten minutes since Wednesday. This flu is kicking my ass.

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Happy birthday, just had mine a few days ago myself. My brother in law got me this jumbo pack of hockey cards, brought them over yesterday. It was pretty ****ing cool, a bunch of random cards from the years 1988-2000, something like that. I didn't know they sold stuff like that. Got a Selanne from the year after he scored 76, a Dirk Graham, a bunch of other cool ones but the prize is a Forsberg world juniors prospect card.

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Sweet, got paid $52.14 for the last pay period, apparently. Perfect timing, payroll. Christ...

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Happy birthday, just had mine a few days ago myself. My brother in law got me this jumbo pack of hockey cards, brought them over yesterday. It was pretty ****ing cool, a bunch of random cards from the years 1988-2000, something like that. I didn't know they sold stuff like that. Got a Selanne from the year after he scored 76, a Dirk Graham, a bunch of other cool ones but the price is a Forsberg world juniors prospect card.
I tried to Google them, but couldn't quickly find a decent result. You'll have to post a pic next to a beer or something... sounds really cool.

Don't really want or need anything, other than a new pair of kicks for the gym. Wouldn't complain if someone tossed me some cash for the casino on the cruise in a few weeks.

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For sure, I'll do it when I get home.

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Any of you guys watching The Americans? What a great ****ing show. FX is awesome and has another huge hit.

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Mark Duper, ex-Dolphin WR, arrested for allegedly beating son

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JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Former Miami Dolphins wide receiver Mark Duper was released from jail Thursday, charged after police say he beat his 17-year-old son during a series of fights at their Jacksonville home.

Duper, who starred for the Dolphins from 1982 to 1992, spent a night in jail after his arrest Wednesday on one count of felony child abuse. He was released Thursday afternoon after posting a $5,000 bail, police in Jacksonville said.

Authorities say Duper attacked his son, Marcus, three times and knocked him out twice.

Duper told The Miami Herald that the fight was "a family matter."

"This is not an open book. I have to deal with this within my family," he was quoted by the newspaper as saying.

Duper caught 511 passes for 8,869 yards and 59 touchdowns in his 11-year career with the Dolphins. Duper, who legally changed his name to Mark Super Duper, was named to three Pro Bowls and was a two-time All-Pro selection. He is a member of the Dolphins Honor Roll.

Former Dolphins defensive end Hugh Green told The Associated Press by telephone that he witnessed the brawls. He said Marcus Duper started the fights, thinking he could "beat his father." Green and his 18-year-old son had stopped to visit Duper and his son after attending a charity golf outing in Miami earlier in the week.

"I saw Mark defending himself after a young son was defiant," Green said.

Green said Duper's wife, the mother of Marcus, died several years ago.

According to Jacksonville police records, the first fight allegedly began when Duper learned his son had sent a threatening text to the teen's former girlfriend. The younger Duper denied he had done anything wrong. Police said that started an argument between the two that led to fisticuffs.

The police report said Duper "punched his son in the face one time because he wouldn't listen to him about picking up his hat." The report said Duper then "took his son to the ground, grabbed him, then picked him up several times and slammed him to the ground, causing him to lose consciousness for a short period of time."

Duper then ordered his son out of the house, according to authorities. The son left but returned to get a jacket, the report said, which resulted in a second fight.

Green stepped in to break up the fight and, the report says, discovered that Marcus Duper "lost consciousness once again for a short period of time."

Green said he then escorted Marcus Duper out of the house. The teen then "pushed his bike into his father's vehicle" according to the police report.

The elder Duper saw him and went outside to confront his son a third time. Police say Duper "climbed on top of his son, grabbed his son by the neck and began choking his son."
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I have thousands of old cards of all sports. My jersey card collection is sick.

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I can post of picture of some stuff. Notable jersey cards and autographs I have are Reggie White (Packers), Walter Payton (three-color), Patrick Roy (Canadiens), Wayne Gretzky (All-Star), Michael Jordan (Bulls), Mike Bossy, Joe Montana (49ers), Ron Santo (Cubs), Stan Mikita, Ray Lewis (Pro Bowl), and way more. My dad and I used to shell out some good money for some cards when I was a lot younger. It's an expensive habit to keep up with. That and losing interest made me stop where I'm at. I might get into it again later in life.

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