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03-08-2013, 10:07 AM
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Again.... Good luck with that. Vanek is one of the most consistent goal-scorers in the league. One of only 4 active players with 25+ goals in each of his first 7 seasons, and looks like he may make it 8 in spite of the shortened season. Only the truly elite players have the kind of consistency you're talking about (ie: Crosby, Stamkos), and even then they have some slumps. What good teams have is better depth (and D) than Buffalo to keep them competitive when their star scorers are slumping. Our next best winger outside of that top line is Stafford probably, who barely made it to 50 points last year.

If you're content with the Sabres best player being Vanek and don't believe we'll improve our top en talent why do you bother watching?

Vanek as "the man" has been a complete and utter failure.

We absolutely need to add talent to this team.

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If you're content with the Sabres best player being Vanek and don't believe we'll improve our top en talent why do you bother watching?

Vanek as "the man" has been a complete and utter failure.

We absolutely need to add talent to this team.
Vanek can be the man, we need two legit top 6 wingers to play with ennis though.
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Replace leino and stafford with a semin and maybe a drouin and we have some scoring depth. Vanek doesnt have much support right now

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Pretty sure if you buy a player out, you can't resign him for a year.
I would LOVE to see that negotiation. 'Right, you're paid to much, we want to buy you out of $4mill p/y and pay you $1mill and some new skates'. Yeh, can't see the player loving that one.

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Vanek can be the man, we need two legit top 6 wingers to play with ennis though.
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Replace leino and stafford with a semin and maybe a drouin and we have some scoring depth. Vanek doesnt have much support right now
No love for Flynn on the bottom lines? Bah humbug.

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No doubt. But he gets injured every year and it makes him less effective.


We need more than Vanek. He can't be counted on over the course of a season. As he gets older he more likely to get injure more often.
I agree with this point, we need another 1 or 2 top 6 players, preferably a C and winger. Vanek, Pom and Hodg are it, and Pom is more 2 way than pure offense, Hodg is a Sophmore. Vanek has been all we've had for too long and he needs some help.

I'm sure Darcy isn't the man to make that move though.

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03-08-2013, 10:17 AM
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I would LOVE to see that negotiation. 'Right, you're paid to much, we want to buy you out of $4mill p/y and pay you $1mill and some new skates'. Yeh, can't see the player loving that one.
Keep in mind, the team is still responsible to pay the player what they owe when using the amnesty buyout. Essentially, it would just be cap relief. Which teams could abuse.

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Vanek can be the man, we need two legit top 6 wingers to play with ennis though.
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Replace leino and stafford with a semin and maybe a drouin and we have some scoring depth. Vanek doesnt have much support right now
I'd rather have Vanek be the supporting guy to a legit 90-100pt player.

They do exist.

Vanek is a great player, but he's getting older and get hurt a lot becaus of the way he plays... That's undeniable.

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If you're content with the Sabres best player being Vanek and don't believe we'll improve our top en talent why do you bother watching?

Vanek as "the man" has been a complete and utter failure.

We absolutely need to add talent to this team.
Vanek as "the man" is fine. What we lack compared to more competitive teams is decent supports players (ie: secondary scoring not named Tyler Ennis) and players who are capable of playing proficient defense. You don't need a Sidney Crosby to win the cup. You do need good role players and better defensive play than we've been getting.

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I'd rather have Vanek be the supporting guy to a legit 90-100pt player.

They do exist.

Vanek is a great player, but he's getting older and get hurt a lot becaus of the way he plays... That's undeniable.
3 last season, they do exist, but there aren't many in the league.

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I'd rather have Vanek be the supporting guy to a legit 90-100pt player.

They do exist.

Vanek is a great player, but he's getting older and get hurt a lot becaus of the way he plays... That's undeniable.
90 point winger? Are their even 3 of then in the league?

What is a legit 100 point guy? Stamkos, Crosby, Malkin, St. Louis? You dont realise how rare these type of guys are.

Vanek has never been a guy who relys on his speed and will likely be a 1st liner until he is 35 or so

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I'd rather have Vanek be the supporting guy to a legit 90-100pt player.

They do exist.

Vanek is a great player, but he's getting older and get hurt a lot becaus of the way he plays... That's undeniable.
Cool. Which tree do those grow on again?

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Cool. Which tree do those grow on again?
The "get the 1st overall pick in a draft with a generational talent" tree. Typically it bears fruit every 3-4 years.


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Typically it bears fruity every 3-4 years.
Fruity, huh?

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I'd rather have Vanek be the supporting guy to a legit 90-100pt player.

They do exist.

Vanek is a great player, but he's getting older and get hurt a lot becaus of the way he plays... That's undeniable.
Are only chance at that is drafting drouin, unless of course getzlaf or perry really have their hearts set on coming to hockey hell

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Fruity, huh?
A typo? I am disgraced!

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No love for Flynn on the bottom lines? Bah humbug.
I definitely like his work ethic and think he could be a successful role player (Bottom 6) for us.

Vanek-Hodgson-Pominville
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xGerbe, Kaleta

Using our existing players only, this is what I'd like to see when we're completely healthy next year (Hecht and Scott not re-signed)

For the remainder of this year, I'd really like to evaluate Grigs playing with more talent. Of course he hasn't earned that time, so this probably won't happen.

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A typo? I am disgraced!
(It was a joke.)

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It's good to know that the standards are so low

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(As was my post)


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It's good to know that the standards are so low
What's you're master plan for bringing in a top 5 player in the league

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It's good to know that the standards are so low
A consistent 90 point winger is a first ballot hall of famer, I don't think you realise how rare of a player that is..

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I'd rather see the Sabres develop and/or trade for two solid (two way) 55-65 point wingers, a defensively responsible center, and two better younger defensemen (to replace Leopold and Regehr) than try to find that super rare, almost impossible one 90-100 point player.




Not to mention the Sabres STILL need a better backup goalie, and find a replacement for Miller. He's not getting any younger.

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I'd rather have Vanek be the supporting guy to a legit 90-100pt player.

They do exist.

Vanek is a great player, but he's getting older and get hurt a lot becaus of the way he plays... That's undeniable.
I'd rather have Vanek, Pom, another 70 point player and a 50-60 point centre. I'd also like Myers to calm down and become a defacto no.1 defenseman I know he can be, supported by Ehrhoff, Sekera and another top 4 D (McNabb?) with Weber and whoever rolling out the top 6.

I'd also like our PP to do their damn job. I'd also like us to try our backup goalie before our starter collapses occasionally.

Ahem. Seem to have gone off topic....

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A consistent 90 point winger is a first ballot hall of famer, I don't think you realise how rare of a player that is..
I said player

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What's you're master plan for bringing in a top 5 player in the league
No, you're right. It's impossible to have a top 5 player in the league.

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