HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Pacific Division > Vancouver Canucks
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Hodgson Trade Discussion

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
04-01-2013, 12:45 AM
  #976
Tiranis
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Toronto, ON
Country: Czech_ Republic
Posts: 20,972
vCash: 500
4th line on the Sabres...

Tiranis is offline  
Old
04-01-2013, 12:45 AM
  #977
LickTheEnvelope
6th Overall Blows
 
LickTheEnvelope's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 28,044
vCash: 500
Ya Hodgson is really leading his team... to a top 5 pick! XD

LickTheEnvelope is offline  
Old
04-01-2013, 12:58 AM
  #978
LiquidSnake
Agent of Chaos...
 
LiquidSnake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Vancouver, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 28,047
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiranis View Post
4th line on the Sabres...
And it's simply going to go into a downward spiral from there I believe. He took absolutely no accountability. Something that you'd love a player to have.

I've heard almost any player atleast say "I need to be better".

LiquidSnake is offline  
Old
04-01-2013, 12:59 AM
  #979
biturbo19
Registered User
 
biturbo19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 6,753
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiquidSnake View Post
Hodgson was demoted to the 4th line. And of course, he's acting all whiny "Character guy here"
@BillHoppeNHL




Here's the article:
http://www.buffalohockeybeat.com/bru...straight-loss/


and of course here's Cody's "mature" answer:
Saw that in the game today. It's nice 'anti-Hodgson' fodder for those around here who are still in whatever bitter denial about the trade.

Rolston is in full-on 'interim flail mode'. He's not going to be the coach long-term and the players know it. It's like the situation in Montreal last year. Players are just punching the time cards at this point and it shows.

When a coach throws their top point producing Center on the 4th line with John Scott (who shouldn't even be in the NHL) and Kaleta to 'make a point' about his defensive game...he's just flailing. I feel bad for coaches thrown into that sort of situation...but that's the way it goes.

Really not going to put much stock in that.

And to put things in perspective...our end of the trade in Kassian got shifted not to the 4th line where he'd been played his way down to for defensive mistakes and lack of intensity after a matter of a couple weeks...

but straight out of the NHL.

biturbo19 is offline  
Old
04-01-2013, 01:00 AM
  #980
LiquidSnake
Agent of Chaos...
 
LiquidSnake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Vancouver, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 28,047
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by biturbo19 View Post
Saw that in the game today. It's nice 'anti-Hodgson' fodder for those around here who are still in whatever bitter denial about the trade.

Rolston is in full-on 'interim flail mode'. He's not going to be the coach long-term and the players know it. It's like the situation in Montreal last year. Players are just punching the time cards at this point and it shows.

When a coach throws their top point producing Center on the 4th line with John Scott (who shouldn't even be in the NHL) and Kaleta to 'make a point' about his defensive game...he's just flailing. I feel bad for coaches thrown into that sort of situation...but that's the way it goes.

Really not going to put much stock in that.
I find the timing hilarious considering just hours prior, there was so much anti Kassian going on.

Bless the hockey gods.

Either way, he still has tons of growing up to do.

LiquidSnake is offline  
Old
04-01-2013, 01:04 AM
  #981
biturbo19
Registered User
 
biturbo19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 6,753
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiquidSnake View Post
I find the timing hilarious considering just hours prior, there was so much anti Kassian going on.

Bless the hockey gods.

Either way, he still has tons of growing up to do.
This is true. Even today, Hodgson had another of his 'almost there' moments defensively, ending in a goal...

Had Krejci 'contained' along the wall, but he managed to sneak a pass right through him to the front of the net. So close, yet so far. Of course, didn't help that Sekera was just standing around like a tourist in front of his own net instead of actually taking his man out of the play.

Lots of room to grow defensively for Hodgson though. But the whole 4th line thing is just a joke from a coach who couldn't buy the respect of his players if he were Donald Trump.

biturbo19 is offline  
Old
04-01-2013, 01:12 AM
  #982
Sergei Shirokov
Registered User
 
Sergei Shirokov's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: British Columbia
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,077
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by biturbo19 View Post
Saw that in the game today. It's nice 'anti-Hodgson' fodder for those around here who are still in whatever bitter denial about the trade.

Rolston is in full-on 'interim flail mode'. He's not going to be the coach long-term and the players know it. It's like the situation in Montreal last year. Players are just punching the time cards at this point and it shows.

When a coach throws their top point producing Center on the 4th line with John Scott (who shouldn't even be in the NHL) and Kaleta to 'make a point' about his defensive game...he's just flailing. I feel bad for coaches thrown into that sort of situation...but that's the way it goes.

Really not going to put much stock in that.

And to put things in perspective...our end of the trade in Kassian got shifted not to the 4th line where he'd been played his way down to for defensive mistakes and lack of intensity after a matter of a couple weeks...

but straight out of the NHL.


I absolutely love this.

When AV does this he got crucified and called an idiot. (not that I am an AV lover) but now we see yet another coach do it. I think we can see Cody isn't a god and has his inefficiencies. Oh wait, no he doesn't. The 2nd coach is just a moron aswell right?

I also love how some can't just put the accountability where it should lye.

They all blame MG and AV and all knock Kassian. When the only reason Cody Hodgson is not on this hockey team right now is Cody Hodgson chose not to be.

But lets close our eyes to that, lets just imagine that it couldn't have happened, Cody couldn't have requested a trade. He's the golden boy who can't do anything wrong, its all MG's fault.

And here we are again with this issue now, like usual its someone else's fault that he can't play defense so he gets benched.

Look Cody Hodgson is a good hockey player, and I don't personally blame him for requesting a trade, I understand why he did it and more power to him.

I try to avoid commenting when I can but this is becoming an absolute joke.


Last edited by Tiranis: 04-01-2013 at 02:23 AM. Reason: Removed a bunch of borderline insults and flaming
Sergei Shirokov is offline  
Old
04-01-2013, 01:19 AM
  #983
Fat Tony
Registered User
 
Fat Tony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,619
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergei Shirokov View Post
I try to avoid commenting when I can but this is becoming an absolute joke.
Thank you for being mature about this.

Fat Tony is online now  
Old
04-01-2013, 01:20 AM
  #984
Sergei Shirokov
Registered User
 
Sergei Shirokov's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: British Columbia
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,077
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Tony View Post
Thank you for being mature about this.
Haha I know.

Immature on my part sure. It is just getting rediculous and I needed to vent.

Nothing personal anyone.

Sergei Shirokov is offline  
Old
04-01-2013, 01:58 AM
  #985
CanucksSayEh
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 3,597
vCash: 500
He floats around even +/-, better or equal to every one of our centres after Hank. Meaningless stats anyway. Stamkos and Tavares are both way lower and score quite a bit more, clearly plugs. Bashing ex-players does not justify the trade, not even a little.

CanucksSayEh is online now  
Old
04-01-2013, 02:06 AM
  #986
Henrik To Daniel
Registered User
 
Henrik To Daniel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Burnaby
Posts: 1,942
vCash: 500
To those ripping on Hodgson's defensive play, this goal is better than anything Kassian has done in a Canucks uniform. Shorthanded mind you.


Henrik To Daniel is offline  
Old
04-01-2013, 02:15 AM
  #987
biturbo19
Registered User
 
biturbo19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 6,753
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergei Shirokov View Post


I absolutely love this.

When AV does this he got crucified and called an idiot. (not that I am an AV lover) but now we see yet another coach do it. I think we can see Cody isn't a god and has his inefficiencies. Oh wait, no he doesn't. The 2nd coach is just a moron aswell right?

I also love how some can't just put the accountability where it should lye.

They all blame MG and AV and all knock Kassian. When the only reason Cody Hodgson is not on this hockey team right now is Cody Hodgson chose not to be.

But lets close our eyes to that, lets just imagine that it couldn't have happened, Cody couldn't have requested a trade. He's the golden boy who can't do anything wrong, its all MG's fault.

And here we are again with this issue now, like usual its someone else's fault that he can't play defense so he gets benched.

Look Cody Hodgson is a good hockey player, and I don't personally blame him for requesting a trade, I understand why he did it and more power to him.

I try to avoid commenting when I can but this is becoming an absolute joke.
Nobody is claiming that Hodgson doesn't have a long ways to go defensively.

But throwing him on the 4th line is just flailing around desperately at this point. Just cruise through the Sabres GBU thread. Nobody is in denial about Hodgson's defensive weakness...but putting him with those guys is silly. He's not going to miraculously grow a defensive game playing with John Scott. And it completely negates the positive aspect of what he can do in a game (where he was largely breaking even). It's a clear case of an interim coach and a team who knows he isn't sticking around. Like children with a substitute teacher.

And keep in mind, in the context of this trade...Hodgson is weak defensively, but Kassian regularly botches assignments, is in the wrong places, loses his man, etc. just the same. Neither player is very good defensively and have a lot of growing to do in that area.

The biggest difference is still...Hodgson has been producing very well offensively at least to the point where some defensive warts are temporarily palatable. Kassian...hasn't. He's just a 'big tough player rawr' who doesn't score, can't be trusted defensively, and doesn't keep his effort level up anywhere near where it needs to be on a regular basis.

So it may be hilarious to you, but the reality is...it isn't unreasonable to criticize this trade right now. And it's not unreasonable to put very little stock in the ridiculous coaching decisions of a floundering interim guy who is on a fast track straight out of their organization.

What i do put stock in...is Gillis, the GM who acquired the player AND the coach who guided this team to a pair of presidents trophies and game 7 of a stanley cup final...coming together to decide Kassian belongs in the minors right now.


Last edited by Tiranis: 04-01-2013 at 02:24 AM. Reason: Quoted post was edited
biturbo19 is offline  
Old
04-01-2013, 02:19 AM
  #988
Moore Money
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Country: Canada
Posts: 12,801
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Henrik To Daniel View Post
To those ripping on Hodgson's defensive play, this goal is better than anything Kassian has done in a Canucks uniform. Shorthanded mind you.

it's also better than anything anyone on the entire team has done this year.. People that bash Hodgson are living in denial.

Moore Money is online now  
Old
04-01-2013, 02:24 AM
  #989
Tiranis
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Toronto, ON
Country: Czech_ Republic
Posts: 20,972
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by PoolChamp View Post
it's also better than anything anyone on the entire team has done this year.. People that bash Hodgson are living in denial.
His coach too is living in denial?

Tiranis is offline  
Old
04-01-2013, 02:30 AM
  #990
serge2k
Registered User
 
serge2k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,388
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiranis View Post
His coach too is living in denial?
No, but he's also probably not a long term coach.

serge2k is offline  
Old
04-01-2013, 02:34 AM
  #991
LiquidSnake
Agent of Chaos...
 
LiquidSnake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Vancouver, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 28,047
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Henrik To Daniel View Post
To those ripping on Hodgson's defensive play, this goal is better than anything Kassian has done in a Canucks uniform. Shorthanded mind you.

Check the score btw. And How does that prove his defensive play is better?

LiquidSnake is offline  
Old
04-01-2013, 02:35 AM
  #992
Moore Money
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Country: Canada
Posts: 12,801
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiranis View Post
His coach too is living in denial?
sure why not. not sure what that has to do with anything but sure why not..

Moore Money is online now  
Old
04-01-2013, 02:36 AM
  #993
LiquidSnake
Agent of Chaos...
 
LiquidSnake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Vancouver, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 28,047
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by PoolChamp View Post
it's also better than anything anyone on the entire team has done this year.. People that bash Hodgson are living in denial.
Actually, people thinking that 1 play makes a season should look no further than where the Sabres are with Hodgson as their #1 C vs the Canucks this season. He'll have plenty of time in the summer to watch all his goals on youtube and find reasons as to why his team was so subpar when he was so elite.

LiquidSnake is offline  
Old
04-01-2013, 02:36 AM
  #994
Tiranis
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Toronto, ON
Country: Czech_ Republic
Posts: 20,972
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by serge2k View Post
No, but he's also probably not a long term coach.
The only thing that means is that they can sometimes give certain players the reality check they need. Given Hodgson's ego (now being further demonstrated via his comments about his demotion), it's pretty clear that others have avoided doing so for fear of upsetting him.

Tiranis is offline  
Old
04-01-2013, 02:37 AM
  #995
Henrik To Daniel
Registered User
 
Henrik To Daniel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Burnaby
Posts: 1,942
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiquidSnake View Post
Check the score btw. And How does that prove his defensive play is better?
A 4-2 with less than a minute to go. It shows he's clutch.

And it proves that he's good enough to at least kill penalties.

Henrik To Daniel is offline  
Old
04-01-2013, 02:39 AM
  #996
LiquidSnake
Agent of Chaos...
 
LiquidSnake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Vancouver, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 28,047
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiranis View Post
The only thing that means is that they can sometimes give certain players the reality check they need. Given Hodgson's ego (now being further demonstrated via his comments about his demotion), it's pretty clear that others have avoided doing so.
Prime example here is Stamkos and how he was treated by Melrose. Kept his mouth shut and proved him and any doubters wrong.

Cody simply doesnt want to take the necessary steps as he believes he's already proven himself.

Apparently if you're a #1 overall pick, you need to prove yourself but a 10th overall pick doesnt.

LiquidSnake is offline  
Old
04-01-2013, 02:39 AM
  #997
Moore Money
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Country: Canada
Posts: 12,801
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiquidSnake View Post
Actually, people thinking that 1 play makes a season should look no further than where the Sabres are with Hodgson as their #1 C vs the Canucks this season. He'll have plenty of time in the summer to watch all his goals on youtube and find reasons as to why his team was so subpar when he was so elite.
they would be in the same position with Henrik Sedin as their #1 center. Saying a team is bad defensively because of one player (not even a defenseman) is ridiculous to say the least.

Moore Money is online now  
Old
04-01-2013, 02:39 AM
  #998
Tiranis
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Toronto, ON
Country: Czech_ Republic
Posts: 20,972
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Henrik To Daniel View Post
A 4-2 with less than a minute to go. It shows he's clutch.
Seriously? The Canes pretty much stopped playing as anyone who actually watched that game would know. It's as meaningless as that game Burmistrov dangled the whole Caps team. Now has 8 points in 30+ games.

Tiranis is offline  
Old
04-01-2013, 02:40 AM
  #999
LiquidSnake
Agent of Chaos...
 
LiquidSnake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Vancouver, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 28,047
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Henrik To Daniel View Post
A 4-2 with less than a minute to go. It shows he's clutch.

And it proves that he's good enough to at least kill penalties.
It shows that the game is over. "Clutch" .

and they're 28th in the league on the PK. Yup, he sure can kill penalties

LiquidSnake is offline  
Old
04-01-2013, 02:42 AM
  #1000
LiquidSnake
Agent of Chaos...
 
LiquidSnake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Vancouver, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 28,047
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by PoolChamp View Post
they would be in the same position with Henrik Sedin as their #1 center. Saying a team is bad defensively because of one player (not even a defenseman) is ridiculous to say the least.
I'm saying not saying they're bad defensively because of 1 player. I'm saying that their team sucks because they rely as Hodgson as their #1 C who also happens to be a detriment to the team in his defensive zone.

I simply pointed out a coach calling him out to what many on here have been stating all season.

And now, the expected lashing out is occurring from the Hodgson lovers. Not surprising in the least.

LiquidSnake is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:56 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.