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03-07-2013, 11:17 AM
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He's right though. Francis was a really great player, but his status as the 4th leading scorer all time probably has more to do with his longevity and the fact that he played some years with Mario/Jagr. Of the top 50 scorers of all time, despite being 4th in totals, his ppg ranks 27th. At no point in his career was he even close to being considered the top player in the game as Crosby/Malkin are.
I dunno I'd say he was up there especially as a playmaker/assist-man, plus a great two way player winning the Pens only Selke, A Datsyuk of his era, I would say. And I believe he pulled his weight equally even being on the same line as Lemieux/Jagr.

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03-07-2013, 11:24 AM
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Yeah I agree about the Canes/Whalers thing. I can see why his number wouldn't be retired here based on his success with another franchise.
Yeah a lot of people don't realize he was with the Whalers for 10 years before going to the Pens. Not too shabby setting most of the offensive records for one franchise and then be #4 for another. (Crosby is only 5 points away from passing him btw)

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It's going to be a joint ceremony for me and Geno. Won't be a dry eye in the house.

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Well Francis was a captain so that says something. He also dipped when the team began its decline. I'd say in the grand scheme of things he means a little more to the Whalers/Canes organization.
That's why I've always assumed that they haven't retired his number. I can't imagine any other reason. Regardless of his ppg or whatever he's easily one of the most important players who has ever passed through here IMO.

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Yeah a lot of people don't realize he was with the Whalers for 10 years before going to the Pens. Not too shabby setting most of the offensive records for one franchise and then be #4 for another. (Crosby is only 5 points away from passing him btw)
Right but I didn't mean 4th all time for the Pens. I meant 4th all time in the entire league.

His PPG wasn't nearly as high as many others in that list, but to be that good for that long says a lot about a player. He is certainly deserved of a jersey retirement somewhere.

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03-07-2013, 11:50 AM
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Too early to tell. Should be a 1,000 game minimum with the team before it's even considered.

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Right but I didn't mean 4th all time for the Pens. I meant 4th all time in the entire league.

His PPG wasn't nearly as high as many others in that list, but to be that good for that long says a lot about a player. He is certainly deserved of a jersey retirement somewhere.
And he is retired by the Canes.

I do believe Jagrs will be retired in the end as well. It really should be. It might take some time though.

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Right but I didn't mean 4th all time for the Pens. I meant 4th all time in the entire league.

His PPG wasn't nearly as high as many others in that list, but to be that good for that long says a lot about a player. He is certainly deserved of a jersey retirement somewhere.
His number is retired in Carolina, and he's on the "Ring of Honor" along with Jagr in Pittsburgh. I wouldn't mind it retired in Pittsburgh though. Next to Mario he's one of my fav Pens ever.

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Hell I'm a sucker for nostalgia though, I'd like Mullen's and Samuelson's retired

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Too early to tell. Should be a 1,000 game minimum with the team before it's even considered.
So we should take Mario and Briere's numbers down?

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I actually think Barrasso should and then Jags whenever he retires. IMO Sid and Malkin are up there without question.

What about MAF? A case could be made for him as his Pens status grows.

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I actually think Barrasso should and then Jags whenever he retires. IMO Sid and Malkin are up there without question.

What about MAF? A case could be made for him as his Pens status grows.
Pens are exclsuive when it comes to retiring numbers, Barasso, I don't think so. Jagr? Would make sense, but still don't think so.

I do think Fleury's number gets retired if he spends his whole career here.

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Ah. Nothing against the OP but I thought this had to do with many fans thinking "crosby isnt the best player on his team" etc.
No, I'm assuming Crosby is an automatic.

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I dunno I'd say he was up there especially as a playmaker/assist-man, plus a great two way player winning the Pens only Selke, A Datsyuk of his era, I would say. And I believe he pulled his weight equally even being on the same line as Lemieux/Jagr.
Oh I'm not saying he wasn't a great player. He absolutely was. Definitely deserving his place in the HHOF and deserving of his retired number in Carolina. I was just commenting on the idea that Francis not having his number retired here might be some indication of whether or not Malkin/Crosby will. I don't view those three guys as being on the same footing in relation to their eras. Also, if we're talking importance to the team, it would be really hard to argue that Francis was as instrumental in winning the early 90s cups as Crosby/Malkin were in winning the '09 cup.

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Don't let history get in the way of clouded thinking, pal! This is HFB!
Come on now, i think we're all aware of how great Francis was. However, he only played here from 91-98 and simply doesn't stack up to what Malkin has accomplished.

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The Pens don't really retire numbers, so much, so I'm currently leaning 'no'.

It might not get re-issued, unofficially, though.

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So we should take Mario and Briere's numbers down?
Mario played over 1000 games; Briere, yes.

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So we should take Mario and Briere's numbers down?
Well played sir.

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Mario played over 1000 games; Briere, yes.
Not regular season games.

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I actually think Barrasso should and then Jags whenever he retires. IMO Sid and Malkin are up there without question.

What about MAF? A case could be made for him as his Pens status grows.
Mario Lemieux and a player who tragically died. That's the list of Penguins retired numbers. This isn't other teams where it's done often.

That said, Malkin means a lot to the Pens. Won a Conn Smythe and helped win a Cup.

If Malkin and Crosby remain Penguins their entire careers, and win another Cup, they should be in the conversation. Anything short of that shouldn't be considered.

There's the Pens ring of fame exhibit for the great players (Jagr, Barrasso, Francis, etc) that have played for Pittsburgh. But a number should only be retired if you mean an awful, awful lot to the franchise.

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Not regular season games.
Who said regular season?

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Who said regular season?
Typically when you refer to a players PPG or career points you talk about regular season totals. To me that applies to games played as well. Obviously you meant something different.

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If he signs for another 5+ years, yes without a doubt. At this point, 450 games are not enough.

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Typically when you refer to a players PPG or career points you talk about regular season totals. To me that applies to games played as well. Obviously you meant something different.
Yeah, I was just saying games played with the team. For something like a number retirement it would make sense to include post-season performance.

Additionally, if Lemieux was able to play 1000 games with his health history, I think it's a pretty good place to set the bar.

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I'd actually like to see more retired numbers for the Penguins. Guys like Mullen, Francis, etc... who were vital to this team's success. Also Pronovost (sp?) and other early Pens legends during the lean years. Briere should definitely stay, he'd have been a legend. With him, this team may not have gotten Lemieux.

To Op, I'd love to see it,and it's very possible.

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