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View Poll Results: Should Phil Kessel be traded?
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03-08-2013, 10:46 AM
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this is what pisses me off the most. So many turnovers from Kessel because he wont take a hit to make a play so all he does is either chip it out and down the ice or throw it to the middle blind. Kessel purposely doesnt go to where he is needed when it would require contact and that is downright disgusting when you have players busting there balls and battling out there trying to help the team win.
as compared to who?

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is this thread for real?

trading all-star first line wingers?

wtf, im disappointed in people, close this thread
Back in 1988, Wayne Gretzky got traded. But in 2013, Phil Kessel is untouchable.

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Why are you comparing what Seguin has done on an elite Bruins team against our historically (recent history) ****** defensively and overall bad Maple Leafs, to what Kessel has done against consistent playoff teams?
What he's saying is that if Boston doesn't get Toronto in the first round, Seguin will be useless.

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Back in 1988, Wayne Gretzky got traded. But in 2013, Phil Kessel is untouchable.

Speaking of soft, useless players who avoided hits like the plague

Are the Leafs in financial trouble? Not that Im aware of.

Totally comparable though. Back to bed little one.

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Are the Leafs in financial trouble? Not that Im aware of.

Totally comparable though. Back to bed little one.
Still waiting for a reply to my post on the previous page.

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Still waiting for a reply to my post on the previous page.
which would that be?

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which would that be?
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Lol... I guess if Crosby for some reason doesn't show up for the first 20 games next season, there will be polls about trading him too. HF Logic
Of course, if by not showing up you mean 20 pts in 25 games and 32nd in NHL scoring.

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03-08-2013, 10:53 AM
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Not sure if you realize this, but "those teams" are the ones that you have to beat in the Stanley Cup Playoffs if you ever hope to win the Cup. So you're okay with our supposedly best player disappearing should we ever go up against those teams in a playoff series AND think we should reward him a $7M/yr contract for it?
Well, considering the last three seasons he hasn't disappeared against them, and considering you also have to beat the Montreals, Ottawas, NJs, Pitts, Carolinas, to win the Cup, I think he'll be ok.

Speaking of feast or famine players and padding stats though, have you looked up Seguins stats against contending teams?


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I'm glad the Trade Kessel movement is gaining more and more traction.


Has his trade value ever been this low? I don't think Kessel has looked this bad - been this exposed his entire career. Realistically what teams would be interested in his services? What woudl they be willing to give up to acquire him? Sadly I dont' think its going to be very much.

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I agree. Lets see if we can steal Stamkos from that joke in Tampa. Of course, he isn't a winner either so..
Maybe Tavares? Nope
Hall/ Eberle/ RNH? NOpe
Ovech? Nope
Duchene? Nope

Although Im sure youll find a way to explain how your rules don't apply to them, just to the Leaf talent.

And luckily, it looks like we'll probably get Montreal in the first round, in which case the many here will see exactly why you don't trade Phil Kessel.

Playoff contribution by a player shows his true value to a team. Regular season points are nice, but meaningless without playoffs in the sense of the big picture, of the real intent of any NHL season.

If Kessel performs in the playoffs via Boston as he does in the regular season (ie disappearing) and Leafs are eliminated in the process, I think you will understand what I'm saying.

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as compared to who?
almost everybody on the leafs when specifically talking about getting the puck out of the D zone. watch any 1 game or period and watch how he is always getting to the puck a second late in the defensive end.

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Well, considering the last three seasons he hasn't disappeared against them, and considering you also have to beat the Montreals, Ottawas, NJs, Pitts, Carolinas, to win the Cup, I think he'll be ok.

Speaking of feast or famine players and padding stats though, have you looked up Seguins stats against contending teams?
I saw that he was a PPG player against the Flyers and not so great against the Rangers. Of course the difference here is that Kessel is in the prime of his career and what you see is what you get, while Seguin is still developing his game and is already nearly at the same (from a purely offensive standpoint), or higher (if you factor in completeness and competitiveness), level as Kessel.

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Playoff contribution by a player shows his true value to a team. Regular season points are nice, but meaningless without playoffs in the sense of the big picture, of the real intent of any NHL season.

If Kessel performs in the playoffs via Boston as he does in the regular season (ie disappearing) and Leafs are eliminated in the process, I think you will understand what I'm saying.
What if he lights in up against Montreal or Ottawa, but stinks against Boston? What if we still win that series? Is he still useless?

And again, Kessel is ppg in his brief playoff career. SO what are you basing your results on?

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"Kessel will be a terrible playoff player, he will be useless"

"You know he's PPG in his playoff career of 3 rounds right?"

"He just floated.... HIS DEFENSIVE GAME IS TERRIBLE!"

"Okay he's not a defensive player, but he's PPG so he picks up his offensive game it seems"

"HIS DEFENSIVE GAME, HE'S NOT DEFENSIVE, TRADE HIM FOR A 1ST!!!!"

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I definitely think we should trade him. he is worth a lot and now is the time we can build a strong core with young players. If we could net a 1st + 2nd I'd be happy.

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I saw that he was a PPG player against the Flyers and not so great against the Rangers. Of course the difference here is that Kessel is in the prime of his career and what you see is what you get, while Seguin is still developing his game and is already nearly at the same (from a purely offensive standpoint), or higher (if you factor in completeness and competitiveness), level as Kessel.
Phil Kessel is 24. That is not his prime.

Prime years are 28/29-32/33

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I saw that he was a PPG player against the Flyers and not so great against the Rangers. Of course the difference here is that Kessel is in the prime of his career and what you see is what you get, while Seguin is still developing his game and is already nearly at the same (from a purely offensive standpoint), or higher (if you factor in completeness), level as Kessel.
And lousy against New Jersey/ Carolina. But its ok, but he is lights out against the Islanders.

And funny how Kessel is 'struggling' and or useless this year depending on who you ask, and still has more points than superstar Seguin.

Anyway, not gonna get into the Seguin troll fest again as he has nothing to do with Kessel's play or this team.

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Of course, if by not showing up you mean 20 pts in 25 games and 32nd in NHL scoring.
I like how this is considered slumping (which it is for Kessel).

What happens when he starts scoring on a regular basis again? And he climbs back into the top 15, maybe top 10?

Then do we want to trade him for a 1st and a 2nd?

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"Kessel will be a terrible playoff player, he will be useless"

"You know he's PPG in his playoff career of 3 rounds right?"

"He just floated.... HIS DEFENSIVE GAME IS TERRIBLE!"

"Okay he's not a defensive player, but he's PPG so he picks up his offensive game it seems"

"HIS DEFENSIVE GAME, HE'S NOT DEFENSIVE, TRADE HIM FOR A 1ST!!!!"
I see you've been here before

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Should Kessel be traded? How do you answer that question with out the "for what" part?

Are we talking about addition by subtraction?

Is there not a generic thread to bash/defend Kessel around here?

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Phil Kessel is 24. That is not his prime.

Prime years are 28/29-32/33
Phil Kessel is 25. He's entering the prime of his career. He's not going to get much better, no matter how much you hope so.

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Phil Kessel is 24. That is not his prime.

Prime years are 28/29-32/33

His value is really high right now, i'd rather have someone more creative and who improves the people around him.

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Phil Kessel is 25. He's entering the prime of his career. He's not going to get much better, no matter how much you hope so.
Sorry, off by a year, sue me.

Phil Kessel is still 3 years away from what is considered prime years. He still has plenty of room to grow. His defensive game (despite much people yell) HAS gotten better this season. Earlier in the season people were praising him for it. He has to get more consistent at it, and that will come with time.

To say "this 25 year old will never ever EVER get better at ANYTHING" is arrogant to say the least

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His value is really high right now, i'd rather have someone more creative and who improves the people around him.
Makes people better around him?

Is it a coincidence that both JVR (on pace too) and Lupul put up career high numbers playing on a line with Kessel?

Would Tyler Bozak pot nearly 60 points if he wasn't playing with Kessel?

Also, in terms of creativity, do you mean someone like Nazem Kadri who often tries to dance around everyone? Or do you mean vision? Which Kessel has shown to have the best on our team (close with Kadri) with some of the passes he has made this season

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