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View Poll Results: Should Phil Kessel be traded?
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03-08-2013, 02:27 PM
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Apologies. Change the word to "decent" and move on.
Yeah... there's quite a big difference between "decent" and "elite". Bozak is decent. Crosby is elite.

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This is 100% true. Chara is arguably the best defender playing in the NHL and is arguably THE single most intimidating defender to ever play in the NHL. I was moreorless stating that Kadri has no fear.
Off topic but Scott Stevens was more intimidating than Chara.

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Yeah... there's quite a big difference between "decent" and "elite". Bozak is decent. Crosby is elite.
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Getzlaf would be a perfect center for Kessel. Just think Getz at 8.25M and Kessel at 7.5M (resigned) and Lupul at 5.25M. I'm not sure if people see the problem but 21M on the first line just to compensate for the defensive lapses of Kessel (and lupul). That is 33% of capspace.

Kessel is an elite player but wow finding a center to play with Kessel good luck in this cap world.

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Off topic but Scott Stevens was more intimidating than Chara.
Key Word: Arguably.

Just thought I'd mention that Stevens is one of my favorite players of all time as well.

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Trade Kessel because of a contract Getzlaf got....

Jesus Christ people wake up
Yeah wake up guys, Kessel's agents will never use that number in negotiations!

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03-08-2013, 02:38 PM
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Yeah wake up guys, Kessel's agents will never use that number in negotiations!
Nope. Agents never do that. *cough*Benn Subban O'Reilly*cough*

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03-08-2013, 02:45 PM
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Kessel has only had 1 pgg season, I don't see him getting anywhere near what Getzlaf has gotten. He may end up putting up a ppg this season, but so far it doesn't look like it.

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I think this is the first time we've agreed all thread. Nonis should be talking to Kessel's party now and seeing what their ballpark expectations are. If they want $7M+, trade him.
Pretty sure he can't talk to Phil about a new contract until he hits the one year remaining mark, used to be July first but I think they changed the date last CBA.

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Kessel has only had 1 pgg season, I don't see him getting anywhere near what Getzlaf has gotten. He may end up putting up a ppg this season, but so far it doesn't look like it.
Don't you see they are exactly the same player in exactly the same situation so obviously Phil will get the exact same deal ? Oh wait....

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Kessel has only had 1 pgg season, I don't see him getting anywhere near what Getzlaf has gotten. He may end up putting up a ppg this season, but so far it doesn't look like it.
he's near PPG right now, 20 points 25 games. All he needs is a couple solid 2-3 point games

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03-08-2013, 03:25 PM
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Yeah... there's quite a big difference between "decent" and "elite". Bozak is decent. Crosby is elite.
Bozak is terrible and 1 good year won't change that. He wins faceoffs but that doesn't make him good. Once his 4+ million dollar contract hopefully from another team people will stop living in denial and realize he sucks.

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03-08-2013, 03:50 PM
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Bozak is terrible and 1 good year won't change that. He wins faceoffs but that doesn't make him good. Once his 4+ million dollar contract hopefully from another team people will stop living in denial and realize he sucks.
Can you enlighten readers as to what makes him "terrible" please?

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03-08-2013, 04:27 PM
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Holy hell, Stamkos just scored a goal 2 ft outside of the increase! When is the last time you can remember seeing Kessel there?
There's a bunch of them in here.

Enjoy.

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we have a trade Kessel thread after every game with boston

ya we got but****ed in the trade

got over it

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There's a bunch of them in here.

Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEUMgdlKAuk
Watching that video just makes you realize how much he misses Lupul... Where are those plays from JVR?

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03-08-2013, 05:14 PM
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Agents use similar player types...

Subban used Doughty, O'Rielly wanted Duchene/Stasnty money.

Agents don't take a completely different player and say WE WANT HIS MONEY

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Can you enlighten readers as to what makes him "terrible" please?
http://hockeyanalysis.com/2013/02/16...e-tyler-bozak/

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Can you enlighten readers as to what makes him "terrible" please?
Sure can lets start with his point totals.

Last season playing with 2 guys who had ppg years Tyler Bozak managed 47 points barely above half a ppg how do you manage that playing with 2 allstar wingers? you got 2 allstar wingers and you can't hit 50 points????? REALLY people compare Bozak to Statsny that is a joke. Bozak plays with the best wingers on the team and he can't break 50 points. Statsny plays for the most part with crap and makes his wingers look like actual players.

Year before Bozak played with Kessel again, Kessel had 32 goals 64 points. Bozak 15 goals 32 points which means was more then doubled in goals, was doubled in points and nearly doubled in assists.

What does that tell you when the center has HALF the points of his winger in a fully season? he sucks and this year he's barely on pace for .5 PPG.

His ONLY good year was 2009-10 when he had 27 points in 37 games since then his production has SUCKED compare that to Kadri who doesn't get the ice tim Bozak gets but so far is a ppg guy.

Now you might say he's good defensively is he? he's a -44 career wise compare that Kadri who is a ppg guy this year AND a + player.

Now maybe you think +/- is an overrated stat many people do I personally am one of them so you might go to our PK and say since he's got here he's been our best PK guy. Even if that were true in the past and it might be it doesn't mean a DAMN THING when the PK was ranked 30th 28th 28th.

Thats like putting a a gun to someone's head and forcing them to eat crap but allowing them to put chocolate sauce on it, sure the chocolate sauce might make it taste slightly better but in the end you are still eating someone's ****.

The PK is top 10 since Jay McClemnt arrived.

Do I need to keep going? Bozak SUCKS

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03-08-2013, 05:53 PM
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Speaking of Kessel, anyone hear Brian Burkes words last night absolutlely ripping the new management?

Here is a link to another site, on my phone so just found the first link

http://fans.mapleleafs.nhl.com/commu...unt-the-leafs/

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Speaking of Kessel, anyone hear Brian Burkes words last night absolutlely ripping the new management?

Here is a link to another site, on my phone so just found the first link

http://fans.mapleleafs.nhl.com/commu...unt-the-leafs/
He doesn't have to haunt us.

The Kessel trade haunts us enough.

People say to get over the Kessel trade...you remember why that trade was made? Burke wanted to fast track?

We have had Kessel for 4 years and never made the playoffs in any of them.

FU Burke.

He is indirectly saying that Nonis is reaping the benefits? Kadri would be in the AHL right now if Burke was GM, Connolly and Lombardi would be on this team..

If we had a competent coach maybe the Kessel trade wouldn't have been as embarrassing as it was.

Glad he's in Anaheim where nobody cares what he's doing.

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I just want to see him one time play with a real C. He has played with Stajan and then Bozak the whole time he has been here. That's ridiculous. It makes me so angry!
Aren't we hoping Kadri develops into a #1 C? Kadri seems to be playing okay so far. Why not try him out as #1C against the other teams best with Kessel. It's what we want him to be.

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The point is I'd rather someone that doesn't shy away from contact. Kessel avoids it like the plague. Take a hit to make a play sometime, he's never done that.
Colton Orr doesn't shy away from contact. Does that mean you'd prefer giving Colton 20 minutes a night?

Obviously I'm stretching here, but what level of offense would you be willing trade for a grittier player?

10 Pts a year? 20? 30?

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The Kessel thing is a big issue this season. If you were going to trade him, this is your last chance to get decent value. A team trading for him is guaranteed a playoff run, and next year. If you trade him next year, he's just a rental.

Getzlaf will likely be used as a comparable for Kessel. He may not get 8.25, but I'm sure he will get 7. Does anyone really want 7+ tied up on Kessel for the next 8 years? I dont. I dont think he's at that level.

I would prefer to trade him, get an asset or two and spend the money on better players when they become available.

And the fact that Kessel gets shut down time after time in big games with the Bruins is the perfect reason to bring up trading him. We have to go through the Bruins in the playoffs most years under the new structure. I dont want Kessel leading the charge to getting swept.

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